raptor-22 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 he likes keeping the energy in the vortex
V12man Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Not unless an undercover roadie has won the epic before....Well.. an underground MTB'er has won the Epic before.... we could blame the roadbike for that.... :ph34r: The fact of the matter is that this is about bunch riding skills - and some people have them and some people need to learn and/or practice them - nothing to do with the bike they are riding on at all - more about common sense and courtesy - something often sadly lacking in races - both MTB and Road - still got nothing to do with the bike..
Tubehunter Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 - still got nothing to do with the bike.. Swear I've heard something about this before...
V12man Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Swear I've heard something about this before...Unless hubber Lancesball has anything to with that.... then it's only about the bike...
Skubarra Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Well.. an underground MTB'er has won the Epic before.... we could blame the roadbike for that.... :ph34r: The fact of the matter is that this is about bunch riding skills - and some people have them and some people need to learn and/or practice them - nothing to do with the bike they are riding on at all - more about common sense and courtesy - something often sadly lacking in races - both MTB and Road - still got nothing to do with the bike.. The bike does make a difference, if you have a mtb'er in the group that is stronger than the roadies around him he would probably be able to componsate and "fit in with the flow of the group" (for lack of better terms), but if the oke is not stronger and hanging on for dear life, all the other nuisance factors that have been mentioned before (like not being able to accelerate fast enough when the group surges) will come in to play and create problems for those behind him. Yeah you could deal with that by just giving that oke a wide berth until he gets dropped so no real need to moan, but that doesn't mean I have to like having them there!
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 The bike does make a difference, if you have a mtb'er in the group that is stronger than the roadies around him he would probably be able to componsate and "fit in with the flow of the group" (for lack of better terms), but if the oke is not stronger and hanging on for dear life, all the other nuisance factors that have been mentioned before (like not being able to accelerate fast enough when the group surges) will come in to play and create problems for those behind him. Yeah you could deal with that by just giving that oke a wide berth until he gets dropped so no real need to moan, but that doesn't mean I have to like having them there! That's the same on any bike though.
V12man Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 The bike does make a difference, if you have a mtb'er in the group that is stronger than the roadies around him he would probably be able to componsate and "fit in with the flow of the group" (for lack of better terms), but if the oke is not stronger and hanging on for dear life, all the other nuisance factors that have been mentioned before (like not being able to accelerate fast enough when the group surges) will come in to play and create problems for those behind him. Yeah you could deal with that by just giving that oke a wide berth until he gets dropped so no real need to moan, but that doesn't mean I have to like having them there! Well now - if said weaker MTBer had common sense and courtesy as well as some bunch riding skills - he would be towards the back of the bunch deliberately - not seeing a surge coming also relates to skills - but the bike is not a factor that's worth considering - it's the rider that is always the issue (whatever they are on) Still - you almost never see MTB's playing in the racing vets.... and as far as I am concerned they are welcome to try in the licensed bunches - they won't be there long.. Of course - there is bunch riding in MTB races - in the dust, on the dirt and in big groups - going pretty quickly too - plenty of bunch riding skills needed....
Patchelicious Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 That's the same on any bike though. Agreed, but to say that the widers bars, difference in grip and braking dont contribute to the problem is a little short sighted isnt it? Surely the bike does make a difference, even if its smaller than "boytjie" attitude?
Patchelicious Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Well now - if said weaker MTBer had common sense and courtesy as well as some bunch riding skills - he would be towards the back of the bunch deliberately - not seeing a surge coming also relates to skills - but the bike is not a factor that's worth considering - it's the rider that is always the issue (whatever they are on) Still - you almost never see MTB's playing in the racing vets.... and as far as I am concerned they are welcome to try in the licensed bunches - they won't be there long.. Of course - there is bunch riding in MTB races - in the dust, on the dirt and in big groups - going pretty quickly too - plenty of bunch riding skills needed....If a guy on a MTB beat me in VA, I would simply kill myself.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Agreed, but to say that the widers bars, difference in grip and braking dont contribute to the problem is a little short sighted isnt it? Surely the bike does make a difference, even if its smaller than "boytjie" attitude?If anything, the superior braking is an advantage as he is able to take action without grabbing a fistful... Wider bars - maybe. But then if you know how to ride in a bunch it shouldn't be a problem.
Pure Savage Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 Well.. an underground MTB'er has won the Epic before.... we could blame the roadbike for that.... :ph34r: The fact of the matter is that this is about bunch riding skills - and some people have them and some people need to learn and/or practice them - nothing to do with the bike they are riding on at all - more about common sense and courtesy - something often sadly lacking in races - both MTB and Road - still got nothing to do with the bike.. Sometimes its the bike, if i touch handle bars with the roadie next to me, I check out whats on his garmin screen and carry on. do that on a bike with a broomstick for a handle bar and you are picking tar from your arms.
Tubehunter Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 If anything, the superior braking is an advantage as he is able to take action without grabbing a fistful... Wider bars - maybe. But then if you know how to ride in a bunch it shouldn't be a problem. Braking is far sharper than the roadies around the MTB. If there's a nervous moment in the group with some unexpected braking roadies have to veer either side of the MTB as they simply cannot stop as quickly from directly behind. Perhaps the advent of discs on road bikes will make it closer, less the contact patch of the amount of rubber to these random MTB pilots. More interesting will be what happens in group racing whilst people slowly transition their road gear across to discs over time and you end up with those scenarios where there's a large disparity in handling behaviour amongst the road bikes in the hands of multiple super fit riders with little group skill...
Skubarra Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 If anything, the superior braking is an advantage as he is able to take action without grabbing a fistful... The problem is not so much him staying out of trouble with his superior braking, it's those unfortunate souls right behind him without the superior braking.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 I was referring ot the higher level of control... and being able to properly feather them...
Tubehunter Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 I was referring ot the higher level of control... and being able to properly feather them... There's no feathering when you see helmets sitting up and bikes slowing down abruptly for an unknown reason. Everyone is grabbing brakes and shouting so that the chaps behind slow down too. You've got min chance behind a MTB if they react like everyone else in the group.
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