Tokai murder

[Serious Panda]

What I find strange is that people get murdered all the time in SA, good people, yet it it only sometimes make news headlines, yet this murder seems to get A LOT more attention for some reason, I do not understand why. All murders of good people should get this level of attention.

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Hope you guys are holding up... 

 

I must ask so please forgive me, but is your anger directed art Parks based on an issue that has not really existed until now? I could speak for a lot of people when I say that the writing has been on the wall since 2012 but very little has been done to curb crime on a national scale, if anything our political situation and meltdown of the system has nurtured the sense of "getting away with it". I feel this is where the problem lies.

 

Assuming your suggestion was affordable, I cannot logically see where a guard would be placed along an open 4.2km boundary, or where the ranger would patrol if the dense bush offers so much hiding space within the area. Then, as this does not include the middle reserve of the three that make up Tokai, does one double/triple the resources to patrol and guard the other two sections? And then if you did, what stops the crime moving to an area where the attention is less focussed, does one man that area too? At what point do you look to the underlying cause and not the temporary solution of displacing crime to other areas?

 

CoCT have fenced in a lot of city parks and provided 24hr guards in a response to a problem, it is somewhat unfair not to mention this. Crime riddled areas where people have been raped, mugged, even killed for years before the response, at massive expense, to bring about change.  Despite this measure, there are parks for recreational use that are still not fenced in and still not stationed with a guard, take Rondebosch common as just one example.

 

Understand that guarding open spaces comes with a whole lot of considerations that you may have unfairly omitted. That said, I understand the need to lay the blame somewhere but surely for you as for me, attention should be on a man who his lemmings INSIST is still referred to as His Excellency Honourable Jacob Zuma, who suddenly claims he now has a solution to our woes. I call BS!!

 

People who get involved do so to MAKE change, not sit back and wait for a group to respond to their recommendations. We all know SA will only change when WE want it to. Look at the pictures above, there are others who feel the same way, we just need to link the communities across SA who face these issues daily, then we have a voice.

 

People have tried rant letters for years, it's time to stand up.

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Deon I agree with you to a point. I am not blaming TMNP solely. Just pointing out how they have skewed priorities and management system that is ill suited  to a park like ours. 

 

The place needs guards, period. TMNP do nothing for safety there so they are the obvious first port of all. Next its SAPS who are apparently in cahoots with the Westlake crims if the locals there are to be believed. The Courts are the next problem. I see SANP and the government institutions I mention in the same light - Inefficient and corrupt. 

 

The place has been unsafe for years now it seems. A few guards wandering around would be a massive deterrent to the scum who did this.  

 

Citizens already have neigbourhood watches  - what more must they do and pay for to be safe in a recreational area? We all want change and have wanted it for years but its been nothing but a steady decline with our idiot politicians stoking the hate fires and stealing our money.

[Headshot]

What I find strange is that people get murdered all the time in SA, good people, yet it it only sometimes make news headlines, yet this murder seems to get A LOT more attention for some reason, I do not understand why. All murders of good people should get this level of attention

Think a bit harder man. Maybe because the community and the family have been so vocal about the crime. The fact that it was a teenage girl in a very popular recreational area.  

 

I am still waiting for more details about the runner found dead on the Pipe Track, but that story has just gone dead ( no pun intended). It did make the headlines when it happened however. 

[Serious Panda]

Think a bit harder man. Maybe because the community and the family have been so vocal about the crime. The fact that it was a teenage girl in a very popular recreational area.  

 

I am still waiting for more details about the runner found dead on the Pipe Track, but that story has just gone dead ( no pun intended). It did make the headlines when it happened however. 

 

No you think a bit harder, the circumstances should not matter, nothing should matter except that a good person was murdered.

[Boerklong]

No you think a bit harder, the circumstances should not matter, nothing should matter except that a good person was murdered.

Dont over think it.

[Headshot]

I think it is unfair to blame SANPaks for this terrible murder.

Blame the criminal justice system, blame the lack of investigating skill, gangs, easy bail, poor schooling, a broken society and moral system, blame the lack of law enforcement, blame general lack of respect for life.

National Parks have a mandate to preserve our biodiversity, not to keep us safe. They don't even have to let us use Tokai at all if they felt it counter productive to their main conservation mandate.

Keeping us safe is the job of the police, the courts and the jails. Direct your anger at the murderers themselves and the guardians that failed Franziska! 

You're only partly right. Nowhere did I solely blame TMNP. Perhaps they should close Cape point then too? Ooops no need to because they have guards and make plenty moola there. 

 

They may have conservation as a their primary aim, but a close second is making money. Thats why Cape point is such a big deal for them. 

 

I'd also love to know how much SANP have contributed to the maintenance of biodiversity in the TMNP. How many species they have saved or reestablished. Not being facetious I am genuinely interested. 

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No you think a bit harder, the circumstances should not matter, nothing should matter except that a good person was murdered.

Now you thinking too hard. You take the time and go on a media crusade for all the other good people. 

[Serious Panda]

Now you thinking too hard. You take the time and go on a media crusade for all the other good people. 

 

All murders of good people should get this level of attention. Disagree?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

All murders of good people should get this level of attention. Disagree?

No, but instead of asking "why this one did", when it's really clear why it did (suburbia, assumed safe area, media contacted and ran with the "shock in paradise" angle) try to work out how to reduce all levels. 

 

This should not be a "my outrage is bigger than your outrage" situation. 

 

It happened. It managed to bring a spotlight on to crime and murder etc, due to the place in which it occurred. As for murders elsewhere, we're desensitized, and it happens far more often, it's almost accepted, when it shouldn't be.

 

A girl lost her life. Period. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

And now, there's been another rape on the bike path between UCT & Newlands Forest. Happened on Tuesday night. 

[Headshot]

No, but instead of asking "why this one did", when it's really clear why it did (suburbia, assumed safe area, media contacted and ran with the "shock in paradise" angle) try to work out how to reduce all levels. 

 

This should not be a "my outrage is bigger than your outrage" situation. 

 

It happened. It managed to bring a spotlight on to crime and murder etc, due to the place in which it occurred. As for murders elsewhere, we're desensitized, and it happens far more often, it's almost accepted, when it shouldn't be.

 

A girl lost her life. Period. 

Too true, but RR also forgets he doesn't read every paper in every small town where murders happen and doesn't actually know how much attention is focused on murders around the country. Who decides who is good or bad I wonder?

[DJR]

And now, there's been another rape on the bike path between UCT & Newlands Forest. Happened on Tuesday night. 

**** Myles, I don't know what to say anymore

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**** Myles, I don't know what to say anymore

It just gets worse and worse by the day...

[Serious Panda]

Too true, but RR also forgets he doesn't read every paper in every small town where murders happen and doesn't actually know how much attention is focused on murders around the country. Who decides who is good or bad I wonder?

 

Good people are getting murdered in farm murders regularly and it never reaches main stream news headlines while I feel it should. Being good or bad usually is a choice made by people for themselves.

[Baracuda]

Too true, but RR also forgets he doesn't read every paper in every small town where murders happen and doesn't actually know how much attention is focused on murders around the country. Who decides who is good or bad I wonder?

 

I don't believe it is a reflection of who is good or bad, or who is more valuable than others.

 

I believe it is a reflection of how strong and good the Tokai community is. A little girl has been murdered and the community are outraged and are doing something about it. I don't think this should be criticized.

 

What should be criticized is how sick this country is. Yes, hundreds are raped and murdered in townships everyday. It is so common now that it is not even reported. Yet, Government support corrupt police and try to undermine those attempting to do the right thing (Pravin).

 

But don't pick on the Tokai community because they are trying to do something about it.

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http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2016/03/10/UCT-devastated-by-brutal-rape-of-student

 

Note the statements by UCT - how they feel responsible even though this did not happen on their property.