Rocket-Boy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Its a topic that will be hotly contested.Im with the people that feel this is a community, I dont hang around here all day because I need advice on stuff, I do it because I like the people.So when someone comes on and buys something only to resell it later in my opinion it ruins the effect.Back in the earlier days when it was cyclists selling to cyclists then it was all good. I have never had a bad deal on here and have bought and sold quite a bit, so maybe its just the ideology I have in my mind about it.The classifieds are an absolutely integral part of this community, therefore pretty important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 13, 2016 Share Think about this scenario.... People have a carboot sale/flea market, hundreds of people have stalls and sells stuff from their carboots stalletjies. However there is a guy, he makes it his business to get to the flea market at 7am on Saturday morning, while you are still out riding. He goes from stall to stall and buys all the really good deals before you can get there. Probably because he doesnt cycle He then sets up his own stalletjie, right in the middle of the same flea market and sells everything at 20% markup. How do you think the regulars at the flea market would feel about this? Would it even be accepted by the organisers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 13, 2016 Share Think about this scenario.... People have a carboot sale/flea market, hundreds of people have stalls and sells stuff from their carboots stalletjies. However there is a guy, he makes it his business to get to the flea market at 7am on Saturday morning, while you are still out riding. He goes from stall to stall and buys all the really good deals before you can get there. Probably because he doesnt cycle He then sets up his own stalletjie, right in the middle of the same flea market and sells everything at 20% markup. How do you think the regulars at the flea market would feel about this? Would it even be accepted by the organisers? Flea markets charge people to set up stalls, unlike the hub. Although I would not take my chances at the milnerton flea market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 13, 2016 Share Flea markets charge people to set up stalls, unlike the hub. Although I would not take my chances at the milnerton flea market! You really are missing my point arent you.... nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 13, 2016 Share Been a member since 2014... Why is the happy family of Hubbers not offering advice to that fellow hubber (who might just be a bit confused) rather than ripping her ad apart and mocking her? Definitely not the tree hugging, cyclist loving community everyone is fighting for on this thread. I don't like the resellers trading for profit so obviously either and I do occasionally post sarcastic comments on their ads when it is completely blatant, but I'm sure the original seller was very happy to get a quick, easy cash sale so they do have their place. What about this one? https://www.bikehub.co.za/classifieds/187014-yunnan-baiyao-testimonials/ Someone needs to offer some advice there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 13, 2016 Share Think about this scenario.... People have a carboot sale/flea informal free market, hundreds of people have stalls and sells stuff from their carboots stalletjies. However there is a guy, he makes it his business to get to the flea informal free market at 7am on Saturday morning, while you are still out riding. He goes from stall to stall and buys all the really good deals before you can get there. Probably because he doesnt cycle He then sets up his own stalletjie, right in the middle of the same flea informal free market and sells everything at 20% markup. How do you think the regulars at the flea informal free market would feel about this? Would it even be accepted by the organisers regulars? Flea markets charge people to set up stalls, unlike the hub. Although I would not take my chances at the milnerton flea market! Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PygaSchmyga Posted April 13, 2016 Share Better?well, the itching stopped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylark Posted April 13, 2016 Share Radman makes a blunt, but true point. Your lala land views about this magical cycling brotherhood of good and sweetness is cute but misguided. Violins indeed. And the REAL help and kindness comes from the quiet lurkers, NOT from those that constantly need to tell themselves and all around them about how awesome the community is and how amazing they are!Says the only guy liking all Radmans posts and who's been around here for all of 1yr with 54 posts, lol a quiet lurker I see - nice one blowing your own trumpet. Some guys who post a shedload are some of the biggest contributors, offering good advice and or fundrasing/helping other people out. I see you are trying to say these guys with high post counts are by default shallow and insincere, you have some weird ideas, I'll give you that. Cheeses dude, that's an extreme response.Crawl back under your bridge, its nice and cold there. Cretin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 13, 2016 Share If there were no people with 1000's of posts there would be no hubsa for people to "lurk" on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PygaSchmyga Posted April 13, 2016 Share Says the only guy liking all Radmans posts and who's been around here for all of 1yr with 54 posts, lol a quiet lurker I see - nice one blowing your own trumpet. Back to the old "post count" argument. Seriously? Almost used as much as the race card by the ANC. And all the passive aggressiveness? Wowza Some guys who post a shedload are some of the biggest contributors, offering good advice and or fundrasing/helping other people out. I see you are trying to say these guys with high post counts are by default shallow and insincere, you have some weird ideas, I'll give you that. I said no such thing. I simply called BS on the faux "community spirit" espoused by anyone, irrespective of their (enormously important and obviously credibility bestowing) post count Crawl back under your bridge, its nice and cold there. CretinSo much for "community" building? And you make my point. At the slightest hint of resistance to your (high post count) opinion, you resort to insult and true and bitter colours. Its OK though, as I expected nothing more in the first place. Just stop pretending its any other way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTom Posted April 13, 2016 Share bigTree and mrChristmasTomIt has come to my attention that I have been called out as one who is involved in practice of snatching bargains on the hub and then turning around and reselling them shortly after at a profit. To my recollection, I have never purchased an item on the hub and turned around and resold it for a big markup. If I am wrong, I would invite anyone to give me a specific example of where I have done so.In the past year, I have sold two items on the hub - my Hope brakes and my Santa Cruz frame, both of which I owned for years before selling and only sold due to upgrade.I like bargains as I'm not made of money. I have personally lost out on a few bargains to the other hubber referred to as well.I buy a fair amount of stuff at bargain prices because I put together bikes for people trying to get into cycling that can't afford to buy a decent bike. If you actually pay attention to what I buy, it is mostly older outdated stuff going for a bargain. When I sell something, it is either because I have been fortunate enough to upgrade my own bike, or because I sometimes buy "garage sale" groups of parts to get what I need and then sell the left overs from the project to try and recover some cost.If anyone has a specific issue with me as a buyer or seller, I would appreciate it if you contacted me directly, rather than complaining on the forum before giving me an opportunity to resolve the issue. Kind Regards,Glenn (BigTom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapee.. Posted April 13, 2016 Share Think about this scenario.... People have a carboot sale/flea market, hundreds of people have stalls and sells stuff from their carboots stalletjies. However there is a guy, he makes it his business to get to the flea market at 7am on Saturday morning, while you are still out riding. He goes from stall to stall and buys all the really good deals before you can get there. Probably because he doesnt cycle He then sets up his own stalletjie, right in the middle of the same flea market and sells everything at 20% markup. How do you think the regulars at the flea market would feel about this? Would it even be accepted by the organisers? Not much they can do IMHO. He is buying at the selling price, not forcing anyone to sell to him or forcing them to sell at a lower price. He still takes the risk trying to sell at a higher price and the original seller already has the money in his pocket.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 13, 2016 Share Not much they can do IMHO. He is buying at the selling price, not forcing anyone to sell to him or forcing them to sell at a lower price. He still takes the risk trying to sell at a higher price and the original seller already has the money in his pocket..Agreed, nothing anybody can do about it, this was not a call to action for something to be done. But more a statement that it just doesnt sit right. Like Jim Jeffries would say, "we arent animals, we live in a society!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylark Posted April 13, 2016 Share Says the only guy liking all Radmans posts and who's been around here for all of 1yr with 54 posts, lol a quiet lurker I see - nice one blowing your own trumpet. Back to the old "post count" argument. Seriously? Almost used as much as the race card by the ANC. And all the passive aggressiveness? Wowza Some guys who post a shedload are some of the biggest contributors, offering good advice and or fundrasing/helping other people out. I see you are trying to say these guys with high post counts are by default shallow and insincere, you have some weird ideas, I'll give you that. I said no such thing. I simply called BS on the faux "community spirit" espoused by anyone, irrespective of their (enormously important and obviously credibility bestowing) post count Crawl back under your bridge, its nice and cold there. CretinSo much for "community" building? And you make my point. At the slightest hint of resistance to your (high post count) opinion, you resort to insult and true and bitter colours. Its OK though, as I expected nothing more in the first place. Just stop pretending its any other way!Easy up SpezSpaz, you are going to lose your quiet lurker awesomeness credibility if you aren't careful. Sorry, I'm such a meany hey, I called Radman a cretin he must be really struggling emotionally right now. In addition I am sorry if my off the cuff remark has contributed to your deeply entrenched bitterness, I can appreciate it is a very sad condition to be in, I feel your pain it must be awful. I hearby apologise for bringing bikehub into disrepute. Hopefully it will be noticed that my rather trifling postcount will mean I'm no reflection on the true grandmasters of bikehub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PygaSchmyga Posted April 13, 2016 Share Agreed, nothing anybody can do about it, this was not a call to action for something to be done. But more a statement that it just doesnt sit right. Like Jim Jeffries would say, "we arent animals, we live in a society!"LOL That's one of the very few JJ quotes you CAN put in a public forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Ruinaard Posted April 13, 2016 Share So shall we wrap up the handbags at dawn discussion. My 2 cents worth: 1.) It's called capitalism for a reason. This isn't a socialist state institution. The community is formed by a bond related to cycling, which is an expensive past time. We all want to try and save money some times and have nice new toys or the best we can get. Live and let live. you spot a bargain and you get in first well done. If you can trade it for more than you bought it even better. 2.) If you want to give kit away and feel the need to share it with the community then lets put a section in the ads : Free to a good home if you are needy, and then its up to the advertiser to determine if his altruistic need is being met by the credentials of the recipient. That way it's not up to the recipients to do the seller's intent justice and spread the love in the community. I have given away plenty kit - once it's handed over and the person who receives it understands the intent it's given in then its their responsibility to use it in the manner intended. If they decide to profit then sure as hell karma will bite them in the posterior. 3.) Communities are formed by all sorts of different types with different roles. Even this forum (the hub) is here for ad revenues and is trying to make a buck. If we can get a good deal and also trade parts between us then imho the hub is working a treat. There will always be outliers and people who will exploit but the majority of hubbers are great folks and also are marvelous to do business with. There will always be outliers on the continuum of people that any community attracts - from people who get warm and happy on the community vibe to driven psychopaths and crooks. They are all here. Its really up to us to police the place, which is what this seems to be about. Differences of opinion can always be resolved amicably if you agree to try to understand the other person's point of view? Am i missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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