Dopers suck

[Napalm]

The federation should have a set number of clauses that must be in the rider's contract. At the moment a rider can be held civilly liable if they dope, but that's it. They should be held criminally responsible. 

 

A lot of people said that if they serve their sentences, they should be allowed to race.  The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of dopers don't dope as a once off.

[Gen]

The federation should have a set number of clauses that must be in the rider's contract. At the moment a rider can be held civilly liable if they dope, but that's it. They should be held criminally responsible.

 

A lot of people said that if they serve their sentences, they should be allowed to race. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of dopers don't dope as a once off.

I am almost sure Italy have done that.. that not only does it go to the federation but to criminal court.

 

I am however not sure.. I would have to go check.

 

Edit found something along that line,  seems limited to doping within it's borders.. which doesn't help that much as a lot of athletes don't reside in their home countries.  

 

I wonder if Monaco had to make it a criminal offence if there would still be so many athletes that would still  reside there.     

 

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/wada-doping-should-not-be-a-criminal-offense_388306

Edited May 10, 2016 by Gen

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Just to clarify the perception that cycle races (in the main) are private events. They are not. They are indeed very much public events. As such, any form of unfair discrimination is prohibited under the Constitution. Unfair would be for example not allow entry for a cyclist on the basis that they were caught doping, sanctioned and served their sanction. (Ex-doper). They have therefore resumed cycling life as a fully fledged licenced cyclist and are no longer under sanction. If this is what some of the race organisers are doing, they are at risk of being at odds with the constitution (Section 2 - Bill of rights). They could potentially be charged criminally and sent to jail for a maximum period of 2 years.

 

No problem refusing entry to dopers who are currently serving out their sanction.

 

A private event would need to be by invitation only and also make ZERO use of any public property. Then one has the liberty to just not invite on almost whatever grounds one likes.

 

This is what I was trying to get across.  If a person has served his ban and a cycling body (like CSA) grants this person a cycling license, this person cannot be refused to enter into CSA or UCI sanctioned races.

[BDF]

So t&c's then don't apply?

T's & C's only apply insofar as they are within the bounds of the overriding law which in this case is the Constitution of SA. Regardless of what the T's & C's are, the laws of the land take precedence.

[Gen]

T's & C's only apply insofar as they are within the bounds of the overriding law which in this case is the Constitution of SA. Regardless of what the T's & C's are, the laws of the land take precedence.

 

 

So if they really really wanted to ride they could.. it would just take a lot of money and time.

 

Can't see that anyone would want to go through all that hassle, but hey nothing would surprise me.

[Patchelicious]

So if they really really wanted to ride they could.. it would just take a lot of money and time.

 

Can't see that anyone would want to go through all that hassle, but hey nothing would surprise me.

This. I dont think that a "dirty doper" trying to take the moral high ground by taking a race organiser that is supprting a cleaner sport, to court would gain much support.

 

There would be much fall out from other racers and the community. They might win in court, but they will lose lots of support.

 

Having said that, if I was a race organiser, that was taken to court to force me to allow a previously convicted doper into my race, I would simply claim (and correctly so) that allowing them in would negatively affect my races reputation and that it could lead to damages.

 

But like Gen says, I dont think that anybody would go through that hassle and cost. I mean, they couldnt even pay Emma for her letters.....

[BarHugger]

I am almost sure Italy have done that.. that not only does it go to the federation but to criminal court.

 

I am however not sure.. I would have to go check.

 

Edit found something along that line,  seems limited to doping within it's borders.. which doesn't help that much as a lot of athletes don't reside in their home countries.  

 

I wonder if Monaco had to make it a criminal offence if there would still be so many athletes that would still  reside there.     

 

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/wada-doping-should-not-be-a-criminal-offense_388306

I am sure they reside there from a tax benefit.....not a free doping benefit.....

[BDF]

So if they really really wanted to ride they could.. it would just take a lot of money and time.

 

Can't see that anyone would want to go through all that hassle, but hey nothing would surprise me.

It seems like social media has been pretty effective in getting things done without any courts involved.

 

Phrases/Words like "vigilante justice", "Mob justice", "Unfair discrimination" seem to get the public stirred up big time. Just look at the attention anything remotely connected with racism gets at the moment.

[fandacious]

 

But like Gen says, I dont think that anybody would go through that hassle and cost. I mean, they couldnt even pay Emma for her letters.....

 

that gang has been very quiet lately. @doperssuck_za was blocked by BS, but beyond that, not a peep

[Gen]

I am sure they reside there from a tax benefit.....not a free doping benefit.....

 

 

yes yes I know that... but   what other benefits do they have

 

on a serious note though..  I am sure they have gotten the necessary permission to test (out of competition) foreign athletes living there..  Well i would bloody hope so, cause a lot of athletes from all sporting disciplines live there for that nice tax benefit.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Gen

[Patchelicious]

It seems like social media has been pretty effective in getting things done without any courts involved.

 

Phrases/Words like "vigilante justice", "Mob justice", "Unfair discrimination" seem to get the public stirred up big time. Just look at the attention anything remotely connected with racism gets at the moment.

For this to happen, there usually needs to be public support for the victim.

 

Dopers are not likely to get support as victims..... If anything, people rally agaisnt them.

 

Watch the social media fallout if a doper takes a well supported race to court.

[BarHugger]

yes yes I know that... but   what other benefits do they have

WADA is like a bunch of rabid dogs.......these pro's also have to log their every move.....they can get tested whilst testing out condoms......poor buggers......that's the only reason I never went pro......nothing to do with my physique or empty gene pool  ......I needed my freedom.....

[Gen]

For this to happen, there usually needs to be public support for the victim.

 

Dopers are not likely to get support as victims..... If anything, people rally agaisnt them.

 

Watch the social media fallout if a doper takes a well supported race to court.

 

 

unless they are slim 6"2 blond russian female tennis players.. then they seem to have a lot of sympathy.

[BDF]

For this to happen, there usually needs to be public support for the victim.

 

Dopers are not likely to get support as victims..... If anything, people rally agaisnt them.

 

Watch the social media fallout if a doper takes a well supported race to court.

Imagine big round Bambi eyes with tears.

 

"I made a mistake. I was punished. I have served my sentence. Now I'm shiny and clean. But these Dopers Suck people are making me lose my only source of income. How can I support my family if I cant compete in the only profession I'm good at. They are DISCRIMINATING against me UNFAIRLY. Its no different to racism. Poor me"

[Patchelicious]

unless they are slim 6"2 blond russian female tennis players.. then they seem to have a lot of sympathy.

Shame man, leave her alone!! She did nothing wrong!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gen]

Imagine big round Bambi eyes with tears.

 

"I made a mistake. I was punished. I have served my sentence. Now I'm shiny and clean. But these Dopers Suck people are making me lose my only source of income. How can I support my family if I cant compete in the only profession I'm good at. They are DISCRIMINATING against me UNFAIRLY. Its no different to racism. Poor me"

 

 

i have def noticed that a lot of people that condemn the men for doping seem to have sympathy for the women.. a lot of ag shames for the women  instead of (fill in blank) for the men...

 

As seen with whats-her-face (the SA woman) not so long ago with the whole medication thing (not referring to the slim blonde russian