Sparkling mineral water PH? What are they feeding us?

[MTBeer]

In the case of flouride, you have more in your toothpaste than you ingest from drinking water. 

 

Also - the dose makes the poison. Otherwise we'd all have died as soon as we ate an apple, or some tuna, or coffee, or even plain old H20, or as soon as you got into the pool. Yes, water is poisonous if you drink enough of it. And caffeine is more poisonous than glyphosate, by weight. 

pfft! facts - who needs them...

[MTBeer]

obviously you don't go around drinking tap water in India, Egypt, etc.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

you have evidence for this?

In his defence, there's a shartload of conspiracy theory masquerading as scientific study being shared by bored housewives all across the world. 

 

I think a poem is in order...

 

 

 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

obviously you don't go around drinking tap water in India, Egypt, etc.

Yeah, certainly not where the filtration systems aren't up to scratch, and have vast tracts of river-fed pipes, which are full of effluent. 

 

Most of the "Flouride - GASP!" rhetoric is from people who have fokoll understanding of the scientific data and / or studies that they purport to read. 

 

Dried mushrooms have... have.... FORMALDEHYDE!? BAN THEM!!!

 

http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf

[fanievb]

this is why I drink copious amounts of beer, the alcohol content is enough to kill all the nasty goggas 

[BDF]

you have evidence for this?

Arsenic: 0.54 μg/l

Cyanide: 1.0 μg/l

Lead: 0.10 μg/l

Mercury: 0.40 μg/l

 

Aluminium: 0.013 mg/l

Chloride: 10.902 mg/l

Fluoride: 0.171 mg/l

Free Chlorine: 1.68 mg/l

 

All at mean readings taken over a month 21 Nov 2015 - 22 Dec 215 by Rand Water for Johannesburg. (Latest report)

 

Incidentally, the Ph is good at 8.06

 

Admittedly I may be OTT on this topic. That said, If I can reduce the amount of toxic and harmful stuff I ingest daily, that cant be a bad thing. Some of these elements build up in the fatty tissue in the brain (Mercury, Aluminium and lead) and are not expelled by the body without intervention. They have been associated with diseases like Alzheimer's which I do not want to ever get.

 

If you want to drink unfiltered tap water, be my guest! I would rather drink the toxic coffee (made with my filtered water) if I was to have a choice!

[V12man]

While this may be true, your body does not do anything with that acid but break down food with it. It does not enter the bloodstream like water and food nutrients do. It stays there. Thank goodness!.

Umm... my physiology is a little old, but your basic science has a flaw here - once food/water is passed from the stomach to the rest of the digestive tract, the contents are not discriminated against - so the water contents of stomach acids are absobed just as easily as water from a plastic bottle.

 

The Ph of 4 is of little concern in terms of water absobtion at all - my only concern would be that the bottled water is very demineralised compared to more standard water.

 

 

Flourides - as a constituent of water are very valuable to the body - essential for bone and tooth formation - although at very high levels it is toxic - as are many things - including oxygen, water et al.

[Jewbacca]

hahahahahahaha

 

Science... so much cotton wool, so much moddy coddling.

 

Please. Drinking tap water will not kill you in this country. In fact, if you drink it, your bady will filter it and with that process create a stronger disposition, thus making you less likely to be effected by other nasties.

 

If you live in a bubble, everything becomes dangerous.

 

This is laughable.

 

I am pretty sure the the organic wheat free gluten free coffee you buy from the worlds second most creative barista has more dangerous things in it than tap water

[BDF]

Umm... my physiology is a little old, but your basic science has a flaw here - once food/water is passed from the stomach to the rest of the digestive tract, the contents are not discriminated against - so the water contents of stomach acids are absobed just as easily as water from a plastic bottle.

 

The Ph of 4 is of little concern in terms of water absobtion at all - my only concern would be that the bottled water is very demineralised compared to more standard water.

 

 

Flourides - as a constituent of water are very valuable to the body - essential for bone and tooth formation - although at very high levels it is toxic - as are many things - including oxygen, water et al.

I must bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that eating and drinking acidic food and drink does not influence the acidity of the blood just because stomach acid is more acidic that water or foods we eat?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I must bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that eating and drinking acidic food and drink does not influence the acidity of the blood just because stomach acid is more acidic that water or foods we eat?

Yuuuuup. Pseudoscientific baffle. 

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alkaline_diet

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

http://skepdic.com/alkalinediet.html

https://www.facebook.com/hatepseudoscience/posts/246155425532327

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/09/15/your-friday-dose-of-woo-acid-base-or-woo-1/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/pixie-turner/alkaline-diet-fad_b_7768934.html

[Reden]

My question is more what the influence of the high acidity would be on muscle function.

The water mentioned is Valpre Sparkling. On the label PH is stated as 4,7.

 

Tooth decay could also be increased due to the high acid.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

My question is more what the influence of the high acidity would be on muscle function.

The water mentioned is Valpre Sparkling. On the label PH is stated as 4.

 

Tooth decay could also be increased due to the high acid.

In short, nothing. Muscles get their energy / provisions once the food has moved to the stomach & other organs and has been digested. AFTER it has hit the entirely acidic stomach. 

 

As for tooth decay - negligible, I'd say. You would be more at risk if there were sugars in the water. Maybe if you drench your teeth in the water for long long periods of time, maybe. But then bear in mind that your mouth pH is around 6, so it's already slightly acidic to jump-start the digestive process. An entire lifetime of a pH of 6 is going to do far more damage than a few swigs of pH4. 

[BDF]

Yuuuuup. Pseudoscientific baffle. 

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alkaline_diet

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

http://skepdic.com/alkalinediet.html

https://www.facebook.com/hatepseudoscience/posts/246155425532327

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/09/15/your-friday-dose-of-woo-acid-base-or-woo-1/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/pixie-turner/alkaline-diet-fad_b_7768934.html

FAARK - thanks for sharing. So why do Doctors always say you must stay away from acidic foods if you get gout? Why would that help?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

FAARK - thanks for sharing. So why do Doctors always say you must stay away from acidic foods if you get gout? Why would that help?

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/gout-diet/art-20048524

 

Essentially NOT related to an "acidic diet" or treatable with an "alkaline diet" but is largely related to a chemical called Purine, which the body breaks down into Uric acid. 

 

And the text... 

 

Definition

 

Gout, a painful form of arthritis, occurs when high levels of uric acid in the blood cause crystals to form and accumulate around a joint.

Uric acid is produced when the body breaks down a chemical called purine. Purine occurs naturally in your body, but it's also found in certain foods. Uric acid is eliminated from the body in urine.

 

A gout diet may help decrease uric acid levels in the blood. While a gout diet is not a cure, it may lower the risk of recurring painful gout attacks and slow the progression of joint damage. Medication also is needed to manage pain and to lower levels of uric acid.

 

Purpose

 

A little history

Gout has been associated for centuries with overindulgence in meats, seafood and alcohol. The condition was, in fact, considered a disease of the wealthiest people — those who could afford such eating habits. And long before the cause of gout was understood, doctors had observed some benefit of a restricted diet on gout management.

 

For many years, treatment for gout focused on eliminating all foods that had moderate to high amounts of purine. The list of foods to avoid was long, which made the diet difficult to follow.

Current understanding

More recent research on gout has created a clearer picture of the role of diet in disease management. Some foods should be avoided, but not all foods with purines should be eliminated. And some foods should be included in your diet to control uric acid levels.

The purpose of a gout diet today is to address all factors related to disease risk and management. Above all, the goals are a healthy weight and healthy eating — a message that applies to lowering the risk of many diseases.

 

Diet details

 

The general principles of a gout diet are essentially the same as recommendations for a balanced, healthy diet:

• Weight loss. Being overweight increases the risk of developing gout, and losing weight lowers the risk of gout. Research suggests that reducing the number of calories and losing weight — even without a purine-restricted diet — lowers uric acid levels and reduces the number of gout attacks. Losing weight also lessens the overall stress on joints.
• Complex carbs. Eat more fruits, vegetables and whole grains, which provide complex carbohydrates. Avoid foods such as white bread, cakes, candy, sugar-sweetened beverages and products with high-fructose corn syrup.
• Water. Keep yourself hydrated by drinking water. An increase in water consumption has been linked to fewer gout attacks. Aim for eight to 16 glasses of fluids a day with at least half of that as water. A glass is 8 ounces (237 milliliters). Talk to your doctor about appropriate fluid intake goals for you.
• Fats. Cut back on saturated fats from red meats, fatty poultry and high-fat dairy products.
• Proteins. Limit daily proteins from lean meat, fish and poultry to 4 to 6 ounces (113 to 170 grams). Add protein to your diet with low-fat or fat-free dairy products, such as low-fat yogurt or skim milk, which are associated with reduced uric acid levels.

 

Recommendations for specific foods or supplements include the following:

• High-purine vegetables. Studies have shown that vegetables high in purines do not increase the risk of gout or recurring gout attacks. A healthy diet based on lots of fruits and vegetables can include high-purine vegetables, such as asparagus, spinach, peas, cauliflower or mushrooms. You can also eat beans or lentils, which are moderately high in purines but are also a good source of protein.
• Organ and glandular meats. Avoid meats such as liver, kidney and sweetbreads, which have high purine levels and contribute to high blood levels of uric acid.
• Selected seafood. Avoid the following types of seafood, which are higher in purines than others: anchovies, herring, sardines, mussels, scallops, trout, haddock, mackerel and tuna.
• Alcohol. The metabolism of alcohol in your body is thought to increase uric acid production, and alcohol contributes to dehydration. Beer is associated with an increased risk of gout and recurring attacks, as are distilled liquors to some extent. The effect of wine is not as well-understood. If you drink alcohol, talk to your doctor about what is appropriate for you.
• Vitamin C. Vitamin C may help lower uric acid levels. Talk to your doctor about whether a 500-milligram vitamin C supplement fits into your diet and medication plan.
• Coffee. Some research suggests that moderate coffee consumption may be associated with a reduced risk of gout, particularly with regular caffeinated coffee. Drinking coffee may not be appropriate for other medical conditions. Talk to your doctor about how much coffee is right for you.
• Cherries. There is some evidence that eating cherries is associated with a reduced risk of gout attacks.

[MTBeer]

FAARK - thanks for sharing. So why do Doctors always say you must stay away from acidic foods if you get gout? Why would that help?

Gout has to do with the Uric Acid formed when the body breaks down Purines in food. So high levels of purines in food = increased gout risk. Maybe acidic food also has high purine levels?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Yes, I'm bored, waiting for info and stuff.