Landis nil; 12; nil;........WTF !!!!!!!!!

[Gumpole]

1. Its impossible to have a 0% testosterone level

2. The lab never published anything to that effect.

3. Robbie is a lekker outjie and a brilliant bike rider (and I bet he knows a few things from hanging around the doped up peleton) but he is no medical/ doping expert.

 

besides, anybody in the world would protest the innocence of a (former) team mate, and friend, ESPECIALLY when he is still looking for a contract for next year.

 

so maybe I'm a suurtiet.

[Guest Big H]

Thanx Linnega you read my post absolutely correctly!!!!!! 3CPO sorry E1A104 I abhorr the use of drugs and I am a Lance Amrmstrong fan.

[rock]

he was probaly meaning the one day it was at a "normal/acceptable" level and the next day it was over.

[Guest Big H]

Gompaal jy hoef nie skuldig te voel daaroor nie. Soms is ons reg en soms is ons verkeerd..... life is all about choices!!!!!!!

[E1A104]

Kimberly I mean Big H - I also hate drugs in sport but what is your view on Basso & Ullrich et al - Innocent or Guilty and why?

[101%]

I don't like any Americans. Winners' date=' no winners, cheaters or no cheaters and especially Trek riders.[/quote']

 

 

A VERY NARROW MINDED THING TO SAY!!!

[FanieFiets]

Maybe landis like french girls to which gave a spike in the testoterone. He maybe smaaked a bit of that action after that terrible stage. Made him feel like a new man the next day. Explains the high test and the good performance.

[Windbreaker]

More likely than the WADA lab messing up.

 

Then you obviously never read the report of the investigator commissioned by the UCI to review the last lance saga with this "reputable" lab. They screwed up big time and hindered the investigator from the word go.

[Guest Big H]

E1A104 Lowwww blow...... the Kimberley I mean, but damb!!!!!!he he he he he funny!!!!!!.....in my demented state I do see the hillarity!!!!!!!

 

I will only ask one rethorical question in return and that might explain my stand on Basso and Uhlrich, do you realy think Zuma was innocent..... this applies (do not tell anybody my secret!!!!) to all "possible" dope users!!!! That includes my "fan".

[Titanio]

Never thought I'd ever agree with big H (Given his Campag Views), but I also think that the lab is a bit suspect. 

 

 

[linnega]

 

More likely than the WADA lab messing up.

 

Then you obviously never read the report of the investigator commissioned by the UCI to review the last lance saga with this "reputable" lab. They screwed up big time and hindered the investigator from the word go.

Did you read the report?  I mean the report, not the velonews article or the LA press release.  Take the time and read what questions were asked and understand how pointless the investigation was.

 

[Windbreaker]

More likely than the WADA lab messing up.

 

Then you obviously never read the report of the investigator commissioned by the UCI to review the last lance saga with this "reputable" lab. They screwed up big time and hindered the investigator from the word go.

Did you read the report?  I mean the report' date=' not the velonews article or the LA press release.  Take the time and read what questions were asked and understand how pointless the investigation was.
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Yes, I actually downloaded the full report and took the time to read it. His findings condemned the actions of the Lab on a whole host of fronts and condemned Dick Pound specifically for undermining the integrity of the WADA by not following procedures.

[Windbreaker]

And if anyone else thinks that "The Lab" is squeeky clean and want to enlighten themselves then make the effort to read this

 

http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf#search=%22%22Emile%20Vrijman%22%22

 

Beware it's 132 pages long.

 

In my humble opinion it still leaves a whole bunch of questions unanswered about Lance (sorry Jason) but it makes me very suspicious of their motives and the fact is if they cannot follow their own and WADA's protocols then ... So I have to conclude that it is just as possible that someone in the lab set up Lance and Floyd as it is that they are guilty.

[widget]

Personally I dont see reports as been neutral, most investigators are biased in one way or another - I mean we have had massive political investigations here in this country (and in other first world countries) which have brought up findings witch are blatently biased in one or other direction - and proved so later -  to get conclusive findings one needs to look at more than one report. 

 

I doubt, windbreaker, you are so naive as to believe everything you read, the fact is these labs are highly specialised, athletic dope testing is just a miniscule part of their overall business, they do tests daily where peoples lives, doctors integrity and surgeons decisions hang in their hands and on their reports, if they were in the habit of making these major errors in tests then surely we would be seeing a massive mortality rate at french hospitals??

 

Honestly mate, surely you cant believe they have no more interesting things to do with their time than maligning American athletes, or that their staff who are no doubt highly qualified men and women with the highest standards of integrity are somehow running some kind of clandistine operation aimed at ruining the careers of (only) american cyclists, then I dunno, I may just despair.!!

 

To me the Landis case is quite clear, the tests found synthetic testosterone, the tests for this are universally regarded as returning correct findings, and unless Mr Landis somehow started producing synthetic products naturally - then I would say its going to be very,very,very difficult for him to explain that away.   

[montyzuma]

So, Widget, explain away the fact that tests two days on either side of the "positive" test were negative. And don't believe that commercial labs don't make mistakes - the incidence is low but ALL labs have spurious results.

 

[Windbreaker]

Widget, you will learn in time that money is the root of all evil. And believing that it is impossible that everyt teckie at the lab is completely incorruptible is naive.

 

The point I made is that they have been shown to have ignored their own protocols INCLUDING protection of the chain of evidence in the past. Their tests have also been overturned in the past for the same reasons so on the balance of it I am inclined to believe that IT IS JUST AS LIKELY THAT THEY SCREWED UP AS IT IS THAT FL and/or LA ARE GUILTY.

 

Anyone that sticks to the premise that because they are WADA approved they cannot be at fault is naive.

 

I am guessing that FL has insistewd on the public hearing because they intend to expose a whole bunch of irregularities that have been kept hidden to now. Why else??