Helmets and injury prevention

[johannrissik]

I had a fall tonight. Hit the side of my head on the tar. Man was I glad I had my helmet on. Some bruising to my arm, shoulder and hip but my head is all good.

I'm glad that you're OK. I assume you were still walking into the pub when you fell?

[johannrissik]

He did not say helmets are not necessary, he said they should not be compulsory for commuters. See Holland, Denmark etc. Also, helmets on commuters are far less effective than seatbelts on drivers. 

 

Careful not to be the strawman pot calling the kettle black.

BikeSnobNYC:   Getting people to think while they still can.

 

The whole (cycling) helment issue is a highly emotive issue (and logic and science aren't always invited to the party)

Making all occupants of motor vehicles wear helmets would save way more lives than making cyclists wear helmets, but that ain't gonna happen any time soon. Why not?

Obviously, the answer is more complex,  better cycling infrastructure, better driving, better law enforcement, etc, etc, would all play a part.

 

Making helmets the focus is where the problem lies.

 

(Oh, and yes, I wear a helmet. When I cycle, but not when I drive  

[andydude]

[marko35s]

All I took from this topic is that somebody doesn't know what neoliberal means.

[Edge540]

I had a fall tonight. Hit the side of my head on the tar. Man was I glad I had my helmet on. Some bruising to my arm, shoulder and hip but my head is all good.

If your helmet took a wack you should look at replacing it.

 

 

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[GaryvdM]

That guy is a retard. Strawman arguments etc. If I met him in a bar and had an argument with him it would end up with me glassing him for not sticking to the point and for being a muddle headed neoliberal neckbeard. Basically, he's saying the study can't be trusted because it happens to come from a region of Australia which is hostile to cyclists, no attribution or support for this though. Then he says the study is flawed because it's conclusion isn't that conditions should be made safer for cyclists. That's like saying seatbelts aren't necessary because roads should rather be made safer. I would like to see how many of you would support that particular gem.

 

Calls out Snobby for straw man argument. Proceeds with vile ad hominem attack...

[johannrissik]

Calls out Snobby for straw man argument. Proceeds with vile ad hominem attack...

I'm sure he was just playing Friday-Friday...wasn't he? Oh no, you mean that was serious? I'd better be careful.

[arabsandals]

All I took from this topic is that somebody doesn't know what neoliberal means.

Neoliberalism is also used to refer to relaxing/removal of regulation and antipathy toward state control...

[arabsandals]

Calls out Snobby for straw man argument. Proceeds with vile ad hominem attack...

The attack was explicitly based on the quality of his argument, so it's a bit silly to call it ad hominem. If I had said he was ugly and his mother dresses him funny, so his opinion sucks balls, that would be ad hominem.

[GaryvdM]

The attack was explicitly based on the quality of his argument, so it's a bit silly to call it ad hominem. If I had said he was ugly and his mother dresses him funny, so his opinion sucks balls, that would be ad hominem.

You are claiming have attacked his argument, but you read your words, and you will see you attacked him directly. 

 

 

 

That guy is a retard

 

and for being a muddle headed neoliberal neckbeard

 

 

See, compare:

 

"That guy is a retard." and "That guy's argument is retarded." Subtle but important difference.

[Pure Savage]

Concussion is not always so obvious- take it easy for a day or two and report to your doc if you have headache, nausea, dizziness etc

 

I had a concussion, took 4 days to the symptoms to set in, had a small bleed between the two nuts inside my skull.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I had a concussion, took 4 days to the symptoms to set in, had a small bleed between the two nuts inside my skull.

meh. Heal up, bud. And yes, it takes a while. 

[Pure Savage]

meh. Heal up, bud. And yes, it takes a while. 

 

I seem to be ok now Helmet did its job, worst headaches I have had. Hate to think what would have happened if I had not had my helmet.

[V12man]

I had a concussion, took 4 days to the symptoms to set in, had a small bleed between the two nuts inside my skull.

Not good at all - although I worry you don't keep your nuts where they belong....

 

On a serious note - concussion/traumatic brain injuries often don't manifest immediately - so one needs to exercise caution and make your support infrastructure (wife/friends etc) aware so they can observe you for unusual symptoms for a while after a potential injury - when you have a brain injury, you are usually not thinking very clearly - even though you might think you are:

 

Brings to mind an incident from when I was doing post grad work at UCT med school - and one saturady evening I was working in ER, and a class mate of mine brought a women in cycling kit in with a damaged helmet - when she arrived she was lucid and complaining she was fine - on examination some reflexes were a bit off, and sent her to x-ray in a chair, and she passed out half way there - straight to surgery...

 

Fortunately my classmate had INSISTED he take her to ER after they had a coming together at a traffic circle near the bottom of the blue route somewhere, and he noticed her helmet was in 2 when he picked her up - stuck her in his car and brought her virtually against her will (she didn't have any visible injuries/scratches etc) - if he hadn't she would have gotten back on her bike and proceeded on - and been picked up the next day, cold and lying next to the road.

[GaryvdM]

I once observed a guy with head injuries from a crash in a road race. He started getting all aggro with the paramedics. It was later explained to me that the aggro behaviour was as a result of the head injuries. Scary stuff.

[porqui]

When it comes to wearing of helmets neoliberalism will aid Darwinism