The 100th Giro d'Italia

[Patchelicious]

I don't know about the reaction time issue Patch, but according to this photo the motorbike was inside the white line on the edge of the road and not in the road.

 

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/591869cd14429320008b532c-815/giro%20motorcycle%20crash%20thomas.jpg

 

Ok, you are right.

 

The riders are a bunch of wankers that crashed on purpose.

The policeman was well within his right to park there. 

 

My bad.

[dsw]

Racing at this level will become a lottery unless race organizers can figure out a way to ensure the riders' safety from race vehicles and motorbikes.

 

Chris Froome nearly lost the Tour de France last year because this; Demoitié died after being hit by a motorbike in 2016, Sagan came up short during a previous Tour of Spain... the list goes on....... 

[Patchelicious]

Racing at this level will become a lottery unless race organizers can figure out a way to ensure the riders' safety from race vehicles and motorbikes.

 

Chris Froome nearly lost the Tour de France last year because this; Demoitié died after being hit by a motorbike in 2016, Sagan came up short during a previous Tour of Spain... the list goes on....... 

Moolman-Pasio is one that rings close to home.

 

We have all long agreed that motos are an issue in world tours races, not sure why its not the case in this event.

[Gen]

 

 

I don't know about the reaction time issue Patch, but according to this photo the motorbike was inside the white line on the edge of the road and not in the road. The issue was more the pannier sticking out and the first rider attempting to avoid the pannier, and then the chaos after that reaction. Also note that the grassy side was sloping down and not level with the road.

 

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/591869cd14429320008b532c-815/giro%20motorcycle%20crash%20thomas.jpg

 

Here is a video of the incident:

 

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/05/nightmare-team-sky-giro-ditalia-thomas-landa-crash-caused-police-moto/

He should not have parked there.. it was not safe to do so....

 

1. Just after a turn

2. Race situation at that time - pace was very hot, very little time to react to anything or warn anyone

 

 

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[ScottCM]

Seen as you already get drones that fly and follow a connected device, i wonder how far we are away from being able to get live imagines from such a drone because surely linking it to follow the Dimension Data device already on the bikes wont be difficult. 

[Gen]

Seen as you already get drones that fly and follow a connected device, i wonder how far we are away from being able to get live imagines from such a drone because surely linking it to follow the Dimension Data device already on the bikes wont be difficult.

Funny you mention that. Just last week I saw a cyclist getting taken out because of a drone during a crit[emoji20]

 

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[-Az-]

That overhead shot gives the impression that there's space inside the white line, this screen grab shows how little there really is and I cannot for the life of me figure out why he stopped there and not on the grass section.

[-Az-]

The issue was more the pannier sticking out and the first rider attempting to avoid the pannier

 

Just an interesting point on that..

In the UCI 2017 guidelines for vehicles in the convoy, section II, subsection D, point 3 states that the preferred option for motorcycles should be soft side panniers (leather) if possible or no side panniers.

 

Perhaps it's time to take the term preferred out of some of those guidelines?

[Gnarly]

Seen as you already get drones that fly and follow a connected device, i wonder how far we are away from being able to get live imagines from such a drone because surely linking it to follow the Dimension Data device already on the bikes wont be difficult. 

 

Drones and front wheels don't mix too well.

 

[Jurgens Smit]

Seen as you already get drones that fly and follow a connected device, i wonder how far we are away from being able to get live imagines from such a drone because surely linking it to follow the Dimension Data device already on the bikes wont be difficult. 

 

The issue will be battery life. If you were to record and live stream the power would have to come from the drone, which is already limited.

Weight will be already impacted by the camera equipment, so external batteries won't be a option.

 

I'm guessing they will maybe at most get 30min of broadcasting done with a drone. 

 

I believe we are still quite far away from lighter, longer lasting power sources.

[Fat Boab]

Just an interesting point on that..

In the UCI 2017 guidelines for vehicles in the convoy, section II, subsection D, point 3 states that the preferred option for motorcycles should be soft side panniers (leather) if possible or no side panniers.

 

Perhaps it's time to take the term preferred out of some of those guidelines?

 

I'd guess that in most other accident, incident occasions, that an inquiry would be required. And if a root-cause could be determined, that one would expect steps to be taken to reduce the likelihood of such incidents occurring again. eg is training, or re-training required, is it equipment related, better briefing, better advisory comms etc.

 

I think in yesterday's case, it was a policeman on a bike, so what should have been in place to avoid such incidents, was it in place, and does it need to be improved upon?

[fabs]

Chad Haga was near the front and he explained that they just come around a right hand corner at speed and did not se him till the last second.

 

https://twitter.com/chadhaga/status/863792195165458432

 

No, they are not too high and mighty, they are actually very closely knit, and more often than not signal each other.

 

No, the policeman was not as far off the road as possible.

 

I agree with you that this isnt a normal racing accident, normally motorbikes are not parked in the road.

 

Who are you trying to apportion the blame too? I am struggling to understand your post in summary?

There was lots of time to see the obstacle.

In this instance there was no hand signal, which contributed to the crash.

There was no more space to the left of the motorbike, he is already on the edge of the road.

I'm not wanting to give the blame to anybody, I see it as a normal racing incident.

Time will tell though, lets see if the race marshalls do anything to anybody about this.

 

Ok, you are right.

 

The riders are a bunch of wankers that crashed on purpose.

The policeman was well within his right to park there. 

 

My bad.

Hey Patch. No need to get your knickers in a knot, because some of us don't agree with you?

[Patchelicious]

There was lots of time to see the obstacle.

In this instance there was no hand signal, which contributed to the crash.

There was no more space to the left of the motorbike, he is already on the edge of the road.

I'm not wanting to give the blame to anybody, I see it as a normal racing incident.

Time will tell though, lets see if the race marshalls do anything to anybody about this.

 

Hey Patch. No need to get your knickers in a knot, because some of us don't agree with you?

 

You aren't disagreeing with me, I would have no problem if you did as long as you substantiated it, but you are disagreeing with the people that were there.

[jcza]

I'm probably 50 pages behind here, but please humour me. 

 

Was that a police motorbike? If so, is it still governed by UCI regulations? 

[s14phoenix]

Yeah - Police moto.

 

Not too be funny but it did not seem like any of the motos knew what they where doing the whole day. How many times where they involved in the racing and inadvertently provided assist to some of the riders?

 

The guys will use any means whatsoever to get some help at that stage of the race so they cannot be blamed when a camera bike comes to sit right in front of them to get the shot. but surely they receive some training or briefing before let on the road.

 

Honestly I think there is too many buzzing around the guys anyway and this incident was bound to happen. I hope someone starts taking note and avoid this BS.

[Gen]

I have to agree that that they came up to that moto really fast, can't see how there was enough time to use hand signals as warning.

 

A few stages back they were also shunting and as they came out of a turn there was a marshal standing in the middle of the road. .how he wasn't taken out is still a mystery..

 

Riders shouldn't have to still worry about the possibility of a moto parked where it shouldn't be, same as a rider shouldn't still have to worry about the chance of a moto/vehicle hitting him.

 

Hard enough trying to anticipate what a running fan on a climb may get up to.

 

 

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