seven Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Let me think on that one. The laws that are there to protect them.Come on dude! Stop acting like an idiot!Follow the rules. Simple! It makes life (on the road) predictable; and that is one of the best ways to keep EVERYONE safe!
AdamA Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Let me think on that one. The laws that are there to protect them. Hyperlink to Rules http://www.bicyclecapetown.org/bike-law/rules-of-the-road/ Here is a Summary of the rules that protect us. Your next question will probably be "how do there rules protect us?" i have preempted the answer: Cyclist may NOT ride abreast of another cyclist unless overtaking - so as not to annoy other road usesBicycles must have lights on, front and back, between sunset and sunrise - To make ourselves more visibleBicycles must have front and rear reflectors - To make ourselves more visibleMotorists may not come closer than 1 meter to a cyclist - to give us space in case we swerve at the last second
dave303e Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 better yet, anyone spot the cyclist on the N1 South going up the hill towards Rigel Ave this morning at 6:30am? His only saving grace is that he was in the emergency lane with all the taxis not the slow lane with all the trucks...
carbon29er Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Come on dude! Stop acting like an idiot!Follow the rules. Simple! It makes life (on the road) predictable; and that is one of the best ways to keep EVERYONE safe! The post clearly said there are rules that protect cyclists. I asked which they were as I have been involved in cycle safety for a while and I am keen to know what laws have been passed that protect cyclists. One law has been passed, in the Western Cape only, that requires motorists to pass a cyclist with a gap of more than 1 meter. As you are so smart, maybe you can highlight a few more. Other than general road rules. Hyperlink to Rules http://www.bicyclecapetown.org/bike-law/rules-of-the-road/ Here is a Summary of the rules that protect us. Your next question will probably be "how do there rules protect us?" i have preempted the answer: Cyclist may NOT ride abreast of another cyclist unless overtaking - so as not to annoy other road usesBicycles must have lights on, front and back, between sunset and sunrise - To make ourselves more visibleBicycles must have front and rear reflectors - To make ourselves more visibleMotorists may not come closer than 1 meter to a cyclist - to give us space in case we swerve at the last second Applicable in the Western Cape only. The rest of South Africa has not adopted any of these. The only protection cyclists get is from the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 which classes a bicycle as a vehicle and offers no specific protection to cyclists as a class of road user. And of all those so called "laws that protect cyclists" that you quote only the subsection that relates to passing with a space of more than 1 metre comes close to offering the cyclist protection. The rest is just fluff and applies to all vehicles under the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996. I'm glad you think you are well protected by laws. You are not.
Bateleur1 Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 better yet, anyone spot the cyclist on the N1 South going up the hill towards Rigel Ave this morning at 6:30am? His only saving grace is that he was in the emergency lane with all the taxis not the slow lane with all the trucks...
Eddy Gordo Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Its crazy how some people break the law regular when out road riding, but then most likely they also complain about everyone else breaking the law. Whether it be the motorist riding to close or jumping a stop street to people trespassing. Breaking the law is breaking the law, just certain laws are more refrained upon that others, especially if you are a soft target.
Patchelicious Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 The post clearly said there are rules that protect cyclists. I asked which they were as I have been involved in cycle safety for a while and I am keen to know what laws have been passed that protect cyclists. One law has been passed, in the Western Cape only, that requires motorists to pass a cyclist with a gap of more than 1 meter. As you are so smart, maybe you can highlight a few more. Other than general road rules. Applicable in the Western Cape only. The rest of South Africa has not adopted any of these. The only protection cyclists get is from the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 which classes a bicycle as a vehicle and offers no specific protection to cyclists as a class of road user. And of all those so called "laws that protect cyclists" that you quote only the subsection that relates to passing with a space of more than 1 metre comes close to offering the cyclist protection. The rest is just fluff and applies to all vehicles under the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996. I'm glad you think you are well protected by laws. You are not.So what are we protected by?
popcorn_skollie Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 I just came here to set things straight... http://i.imgur.com/g58J9MR.jpg
Bonus Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 According to this photo, would the car have been able to pass a single lane of cyclists with a gap of 1m, without crossing the solid white center line?
AdamA Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 The post clearly said there are rules that protect cyclists. I asked which they were as I have been involved in cycle safety for a while and I am keen to know what laws have been passed that protect cyclists. One law has been passed, in the Western Cape only, that requires motorists to pass a cyclist with a gap of more than 1 meter. As you are so smart, maybe you can highlight a few more. Other than general road rules. Applicable in the Western Cape only. The rest of South Africa has not adopted any of these. The only protection cyclists get is from the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 which classes a bicycle as a vehicle and offers no specific protection to cyclists as a class of road user. And of all those so called "laws that protect cyclists" that you quote only the subsection that relates to passing with a space of more than 1 metre comes close to offering the cyclist protection. The rest is just fluff and applies to all vehicles under the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996. I'm glad you think you are well protected by laws. You are not. I didn't say we are 'well' protected, I said "Many cyclist don't even know the laws that are there to protect them"... The 1 Metre law is a national law. - as far as I am aware, we tried to get this increased to 1.5 in WC but it was declined and remained at 1 Metre the same as the rest of the country. if we can't abide by the general road rules ( that are there to protect everyone) how can we expect other road users to respect us? I don't see many bicycles with red and white reflectors on them and to be honest i don't have any on my bikes (MTBs). I do however have lights on the back and front, but as the law states I should have reflectors too.
Odinson Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 The post clearly said there are rules that protect cyclists. I asked which they were as I have been involved in cycle safety for a while and I am keen to know what laws have been passed that protect cyclists. One law has been passed, in the Western Cape only, that requires motorists to pass a cyclist with a gap of more than 1 meter. As you are so smart, maybe you can highlight a few more. Other than general road rules. Applicable in the Western Cape only. The rest of South Africa has not adopted any of these. The only protection cyclists get is from the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 which classes a bicycle as a vehicle and offers no specific protection to cyclists as a class of road user. And of all those so called "laws that protect cyclists" that you quote only the subsection that relates to passing with a space of more than 1 metre comes close to offering the cyclist protection. The rest is just fluff and applies to all vehicles under the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996. I'm glad you think you are well protected by laws. You are not. Have you been drinking this morning, because you're all over the place. Some NRTA goodies for you: 178. Lamps on pedal cycle(1) A pedal cycle may be fitted in front with a lamp emitting a white light, the intense part of the beam of which shall, when such pedal cycle is on a reasonably level road, strike the surface ahead of suchpedal cycle at a distance of not less than three metres and not more than 30 metres.(2) A pedal cycle may be fitted with one or more lamps emitting a red light directly to the rear. 186. White retro-reflectors to be fitted on front of certain vehicles...(3) No person shall operate a pedal cycle on a public road unless there is fitted on the front of such cycle a white retro-reflector complying with the provisions of regulations 189 and 192. 192. Unlawful use of reflector or reflective material...(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of subregulation (1) the pedals, pedal arms or spokes of a pedal cycle shall, if such cycle is operated on a public road during the period between sunset and sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable weather conditions, persons and vehicles upon the public road are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres, be fitted with yellow or white reflectors or reflective material. 201. Warning devices(1) Subject to the provisions of sections 58(3)and 60 of the Act, no person shall operate on a public road -...(b) a pedal cycle, unless it is equipped with an efficient warning device which is in good working order and, when used, capable of giving adequate warning of its approach; 207. Compulsory wearing of protective helmet...(2) After expiry of three years from the date of commencement of this regulation, no person shall drive or be a passenger on a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is wearing a protective helmet which fits him or her properly and of which the chin straps is properly fastened under the chin. 311. Riding on pedal cycles(1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times.
AdamA Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 I just came here to set things straight... Brilliant!!!
carbon29er Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 I just came here to set things straight... http://i.imgur.com/g58J9MR.jpgWhat is interesting about the straight photo is that there is a solid white line which indicates no overtaking over the line. Even if the cyclists were riding single file, say 50cm from the gutter, there would not be enough space between the outside shoulder of the cyclist with a decent passing margin and the white line for ANY motorist to pass safely. And there is an oncoming vehicle which means passing safely is impossible. EVEN if single file. But that does not stop motorists trying to sneak past where there is not enough space. Which is why over 80% of accidents involving cyclists is them being hit from behind. The cyclists in this picture are actually improving their safety by breaking the law as the motorist taking the photo has had to slow down and wait until it is SAFE to pass. Which is EXACTLY what the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 says a vehicle should do when passing another vehicle.
carbon29er Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 The 1 Metre law is a national law. - as far as I am aware, we tried to get this increased to 1.5 in WC but it was declined and remained at 1 Metre the same as the rest of the country. No it is not. No mention is made anywhere of a one metre passing distance in National law.
Eddy Gordo Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 Have you been drinking this morning, because you're all over the place. Some NRTA goodies for you: 178. Lamps on pedal cycle(1) A pedal cycle may be fitted in front with a lamp emitting a white light, the intense part of the beam of which shall, when such pedal cycle is on a reasonably level road, strike the surface ahead of suchpedal cycle at a distance of not less than three metres and not more than 30 metres.(2) A pedal cycle may be fitted with one or more lamps emitting a red light directly to the rear. 186. White retro-reflectors to be fitted on front of certain vehicles...(3) No person shall operate a pedal cycle on a public road unless there is fitted on the front of such cycle a white retro-reflector complying with the provisions of regulations 189 and 192. 192. Unlawful use of reflector or reflective material...(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of subregulation (1) the pedals, pedal arms or spokes of a pedal cycle shall, if such cycle is operated on a public road during the period between sunset and sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable weather conditions, persons and vehicles upon the public road are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres, be fitted with yellow or white reflectors or reflective material. 201. Warning devices(1) Subject to the provisions of sections 58(3)and 60 of the Act, no person shall operate on a public road -...(b) a pedal cycle, unless it is equipped with an efficient warning device which is in good working order and, when used, capable of giving adequate warning of its approach; 207. Compulsory wearing of protective helmet...(2) After expiry of three years from the date of commencement of this regulation, no person shall drive or be a passenger on a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is wearing a protective helmet which fits him or her properly and of which the chin straps is properly fastened under the chin. 311. Riding on pedal cycles(1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times.This always get me and I always mention it. Plenty people moaned about no cycle lanes etc. They are then put in place and no one uses them and every one has excuses of people running in the lanes to the lanes are dirty etc. Maybe if it was used then this wont be the case. I make use of any cycle lane when I ride on the road.
Patchelicious Posted October 10, 2016 Posted October 10, 2016 What is interesting about the straight photo is that there is a solid white line which indicates no overtaking over the line. Even if the cyclists were riding single file, say 50cm from the gutter, there would not be enough space between the outside shoulder of the cyclist with a decent passing margin and the white line for ANY motorist to pass safely. And there is an oncoming vehicle which means passing safely is impossible. EVEN if single file. But that does not stop motorists trying to sneak past where there is not enough space. Which is why over 80% of accidents involving cyclists is them being hit from behind. The cyclists in this picture are actually improving their safety by breaking the law as the motorist taking the photo has had to slow down and wait until it is SAFE to pass. Which is EXACTLY what the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996 says a vehicle should do when passing another vehicle.The problem is, it doesnt matter. Cyclists do not have the oppertunity to stop motorists and give them a powerpoint presentation about why they are riding like they do. What these cyclists are are doing in the eyes of 99% of the population is "riding like they own the road". It is unfortunate, but thats what people see. These guys should have been riding single file in that situation.
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