[Event] Van Heerden Kranskop Cycle Challenge

[Spinnekop]

The rules were bent a little and it bit us in the ass. 

 So who is responsible for the results?

The officials or the race organiser?  Both? 

 

And after the "officials" (The one race comm and the timing company???)  have reviewed the results after 2 hours of "analysing and video footage", does the race organiser have the right to change that result in literally 1 minute by listening to the crowd on his way to the announcer? 

 

Who had numbers on?

In a bunch of 50 riders sprinting ( I had 68km/h) for the line, Elite, Junior, U23, Elite ladies, VA, VB and VC riders in the bunch.....

Who's word do you take for the result?  And what rules can be "bent a little" for a result? 

May I also leave my kakkerige helmet number at home next time and just twist your arm to get a result?

 

"No Race Number – no results"

Guess that was another little "bending of rules".....

 

"Good deed" you say......

HAHAHAHHAHA.

 

So THAT is where Zuma gets his ideas.....bending rules and then saying it is good deeds. 

HHAHAHAHAHA

 

Nice.

 

I have to actually work today and don't have time to wonder.

I came. I saw.  I won't come again.  That is the bottom line.

 

Good luck on your future endeavours.

[Carbon Junky]

At the close of entries at 17:00 on Friday, a decision was taken that there were too few licensed riders to warrant 7 bunches and the cost of 7 commissaires. 

 

The Head official made a call to combine the bunches to same time and resources. 

 

 

On Saturday morning, almost 30 more Racing Licence riders arrived.

This delayed the start as Licenses had to be verified and a new start list had to be set up.

in that the time the Head Official managed to get another Commissaire at very short notice.

 

 

 

The rules were bent a little and it bit us in the ass. 

 

"no good deed will go unpunished"

Honestly not bothered by the desicion, could have been a non CSA race for all I care. I enjoyed the effort and atmosphere at the race and will definitely be coming back next year. Everyone has to start somewhere and I always like it when new companies enter the market. Learn from the mistakes you made and embrace that what you've gotten right. Keep the entry cost low as it is and try get racetec on board. Other than that, don't allow late licensed entries to make things easier. If I could have done the effort to make an entry on time, then so can the rest. Those complaining about the licensed riders all starting together, how many crashed were there? I know of one and it was an isolated incident in the breakaway. Other than that, good job

[Troi Sport]

 So who is responsible for the results?

The officials or the race organiser?  Both? 

 

And after the "officials" (The one race comm and the timing company???)  have reviewed the results after 2 hours of "analysing and video footage", does the race organiser have the right to change that result in literally 1 minute by listening to the crowd on his way to the announcer? 

 

Who had numbers on?

In a bunch of 50 riders sprinting ( I had 68km/h) for the line, Elite, Junior, U23, Elite ladies, VA, VB and VC riders in the bunch.....

Who's word do you take for the result?  And what rules can be "bent a little" for a result? 

May I also leave my kakkerige helmet number at home next time and just twist your arm to get a result?

 

"No Race Number – no results"

Guess that was another little "bending of rules".....

 

"Good deed" you say......

HAHAHAHHAHA.

 

So THAT is where Zuma gets his ideas.....bending rules and then saying it is good deeds. 

HHAHAHAHAHA

 

Nice.

 

I have to actually work today and don't have time to wonder.

I came. I saw.  I won't come again.  That is the bottom line.

 

Good luck on your future endeavours.

 

 

 

There are a few people responsible in getting the results out correctly.

 

The first person responsible is ME. I did the entries and my entries team (for who I am responsible) captured the entry data.

 

The entry Data is then forwarded to the next people responsible. Race Time.

the must match chips to and entry data on their system.

They record Start times and End Times etc

 

The 3rd responsible person is the race commissaires - acting under CSA rules, we have to accept their input. 

 

As I was not at the finish, I cannot verify what RaceTime did or didn't do. I cannot verify what the Commissaire did or didn't do. They get paid to do a job and I trust they did it properly. 

 

 

As a Licensed cyclist, You have every right to put your complaint forward to the Head Commissaire if you are unhappy.

 

I am happy to change the results based on their feedback.

[Vetplant]

Very happy that I missed this "Ulimate Qualifier" race, sounds like allot of things still need to be ironed out.

 

Will keep an eye on the feedback from the 2018 race and whether one of the bigger timing companies decides to get involved and will then consider doing it in 2019 if all seems legit.

[Troi Sport]

Honestly not bothered by the desicion, could have been a non CSA race for all I care. I enjoyed the effort and atmosphere at the race and will definitely be coming back next year. Everyone has to start somewhere and I always like it when new companies enter the market. Learn from the mistakes you made and embrace that what you've gotten right. Keep the entry cost low as it is and try get racetec on board. Other than that, don't allow late licensed entries to make things easier. If I could have done the effort to make an entry on time, then so can the rest. Those complaining about the licensed riders all starting together, how many crashed were there? I know of one and it was an isolated incident in the breakaway. Other than that, good job

 

 

Thank you Jaco

 

 

We (I) wear 2 hats when putting on this race. 

1 - we are race organisers catering for Licensed riders and recreational cyclists.

2 - we are collecting money for the School in the area

 

 

Commissaire Van Velden had a chat with me afterwards (it's never a chat with him, It's always a well thought out uitkak disguised as a positive feedback).

 

We will end Racing Licence entries 3 days before the event starts next year.

A Race Start list will be available for the officials on time so that they can verify validity of licenses. 

Any Racing Licenced rider who enters after that will be put in the OPEN race.

 

 

We will continue to take OPEN race entries up to 30 minutes before the start on the day.

 

 

 

As for the timing, we will continue to work with RaceTime for, to help them develop. 

They are testing some other options besides the sticker that should work better for Road cycling.

 

There solution for MTB, Trail running and Enduro Cross work 100%

[Scalpel]

There are a few people responsible in getting the results out correctly.

 

The first person responsible is ME. I did the entries and my entries team (for who I am responsible) captured the entry data.

 

The entry Data is then forwarded to the next people responsible. Race Time.

the must match chips to and entry data on their system.

They record Start times and End Times etc

 

The 3rd responsible person is the race commissaires - acting under CSA rules, we have to accept their input. 

 

As I was not at the finish, I cannot verify what RaceTime did or didn't do. I cannot verify what the Commissaire did or didn't do. They get paid to do a job and I trust they did it properly. 

 

 

As a Licensed cyclist, You have every right to put your complaint forward to the Head Commissaire if you are unhappy.

 

I am happy to change the results based on their feedback.

 

 

Mostert na die maal!!

[Spinnekop]

 

As I was not at the finish, I cannot verify what RaceTime did or didn't do. I cannot verify what the Commissaire did or didn't do. They get paid to do a job and I trust they did it properly. 

Nou maak jy net jou naam gat.

Here are your results:  http://www.racetime.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RaceTime-KranskopCycleChallenge2017.pdf

NONE of the VB top 3 guys got podium because YOU changed it 5min before the show got onto the road.

 

 

As a Licensed cyclist, You have every right to put your complaint forward to the Head Commissaire if you are unhappy.

You gave me 5....maybe 4minutes to dispute.

I don't have time for people changing results as they please and then tell ME to query pen marks scribbled all over "results that you pay for but decide to change it"

 

I am happy to change the results based on their feedback.

Does not matter as my sponsors won't care about lost podium photos.

All that I asked was that the published results of your esteemed "they get paid to do a job" people be used.  

Not your 5min before the time manual changes as you please.

Those changes WERE NOT QUERIED.  They were just accepted.  By you.

But my published results were changed and now I have to query your hand writing??

What the actual fuCU*@(

[Troi Sport]

All that I asked was that the published results of your esteemed "they get paid to do a job" people be used.  

Not your 5min before the time manual changes as you please.

Those changes WERE NOT QUERIED.  They were just accepted.  By you.

But my published results were changed and now I have to query your hand writing??

What the actual fuCU*@(

 

 

Nou maak jy net jou naam gat.

Here are your results:  http://www.racetime.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RaceTime-KranskopCycleChallenge2017.pdf

 

 

This link to the results is news to me as we are only having a meeting this afternoon at 14h30.

I will ask them to remove it until we have sorted out the issues

[Cargyrl]

Liked the race, very well done for a start, was actually very well organised (barring results), however, racing for the licence ladies would have panned out very different if they rode alone and was not combined with the racing licensed men of whichever category. 

 

I feel these are minor teething problems, which will be sorted out in due course. Thank you Shamus for trying to put new events on the racing calendar, much appreciated. 

 

PS - I think the licensed racing groups should have a sweeper vehicle in future, it happened that I became the de facto sweeper vehicle, was fun for me, but could have been a very long a lonely wait for the racers stranded at the side of the road. 

 

Will definitely be participating in this event again next year, or any other events organised by this organizer.

[Spinnekop]

 

Nou maak jy net jou naam gat.

Here are your results:  http://www.racetime.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RaceTime-KranskopCycleChallenge2017.pdf

 

 

This link to the results is news to me as we are only having a meeting this afternoon at 14h30.

I will ask them to remove it until we have sorted out the issues

 

I have 5 witnesses that saw THOSE results in you HANDS at the prize giving.

 

Except you scrapped names out and wrote in pen other (without quering) results.

 

Anyways. 

Soos 'n passer.  Al om jou eie gat.

 

Good luck! 

[Troi Sport]

I have 5 witnesses that saw THOSE results in you HANDS at the prize giving.

 

Except you scrapped names out and wrote in pen other (without quering) results.

 

Anyways. 

Soos 'n passer.  Al om jou eie gat.

 

Good luck! 

 

 

 

You don't need witnesses, 

 

I had those results in my hand.

 

They were wrong, we are dealing with this and a few other issues.

 

 

Again, please lodge your complaint with the CSA officials

 

 

I want to get this resolved ASAP

[Pure Savage]

There are a few people responsible in getting the results out correctly.

 

The first person responsible is ME. I did the entries and my entries team (for who I am responsible) captured the entry data.

 

The entry Data is then forwarded to the next people responsible. Race Time.

the must match chips to and entry data on their system.

They record Start times and End Times etc

 

The 3rd responsible person is the race commissaires - acting under CSA rules, we have to accept their input. 

 

As I was not at the finish, I cannot verify what RaceTime did or didn't do. I cannot verify what the Commissaire did or didn't do. They get paid to do a job and I trust they did it properly. 

 

 

As a Licensed cyclist, You have every right to put your complaint forward to the Head Commissaire if you are unhappy.

 

I am happy to change the results based on their feedback.

 

Highlighted your problem for you. Use a proper timing company that times the biggest road events in the country and you wont have issues with people without chips. 

 

Saving a little bit of money on a flash in the pan timing company makes the result worthless, if its in the racetec database it can improve seedings etc.

[Troi Sport]

Highlighted your problem for you. Use a proper timing company that times the biggest road events in the country and you wont have issues with people without chips. 

 

Saving a little bit of money on a flash in the pan timing company makes the result worthless, if its in the racetec database it can improve seedings etc.

thank you 

 

I welcome all advice AND criticism.

[the_other_guy]

You don't need witnesses, 

 

I had those results in my hand.

 

They were wrong, we are dealing with this and a few other issues.

 

 

Again, please lodge your complaint with the CSA officials

 

 

I want to get this resolved ASAP

I must agree with the concerns about the results. 

 

Changing / updating the results a day after prize giving won't change the fact that some riders were excluded from the podium presentation. Doing so takes away the valuable exposure gained by the podium presentation, and that is what a riders sponsers are looking at.

[Transporter]

There are a few people responsible in getting the results out correctly.

 

The first person responsible is ME. I did the entries and my entries team (for who I am responsible) captured the entry data.

 

The entry Data is then forwarded to the next people responsible. Race Time.

the must match chips to and entry data on their system.

They record Start times and End Times etc

 

The 3rd responsible person is the race commissaires - acting under CSA rules, we have to accept their input. 

 

As I was not at the finish, I cannot verify what RaceTime did or didn't do. I cannot verify what the Commissaire did or didn't do. They get paid to do a job and I trust they did it properly. 

 

 

As a Licensed cyclist, You have every right to put your complaint forward to the Head Commissaire if you are unhappy.

 

I am happy to change the results based on their feedback.

As the race organiser you must know all the rules and requirements. You are responsible to know each service providers duties roles and what they must produced. You must ensure that the chief comm does his job properly. You must ensure that the timing is done correctly.

 

You take the riders money and must therefore render the service equel to a classic and not an around the church race.

 

License rule no license entries on race day because you have to prepare start lists for the comms.

 

License rules combine two cats not all.

 

You want to grow your race you must provide proper on tome results. Results must be ready 30 minutes after each cat finish. Uci and Csa a rule. Did the comm tell you this.

 

Did you pay the comm. Seems he did not do his work properly.

[Troi Sport]

As the race organiser you must know all the rules and requirements. You are responsible to know each service providers duties roles and what they must produced. You must ensure that the chief comm does his job properly. You must ensure that the timing is done correctly.

 

You take the riders money and must therefore render the service equel to a classic and not an around the church race.

 

License rule no license entries on race day because you have to prepare start lists for the comms.

 

License rules combine two cats not all.

 

You want to grow your race you must provide proper on tome results. Results must be ready 30 minutes after each cat finish. Uci and Csa a rule. Did the comm tell you this.

 

Did you pay the comm. Seems he did not do his work properly.

It was the Comms decision to join the groups

 

 

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