Bonus Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 We have a road climb near our house which takes about 40mins on an MTB. I've never tried it on the road bike - it gives me the fear, but one day I'll try it and see if I can do a 20 min standing session. 20 mins is quite a long time . . . .
HappyMartin Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 I had Froome come past me on one of the big climbs at Suikerbos. I was n my own and nailing it, or so I thought, when I heard a cheery "howzit" as he blasted past. It t was humiliating and not very motivating. It was made worse when I got a puncture shortly after and his follow car helped me repair it. The mechanic told me he was on a recovery ride.
WrightJnr Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 I had Froome come past me on one of the big climbs at Suikerbos. I was n my own and nailing it, or so I thought, when I heard a cheery "howzit" as he blasted past. It t was humiliating and not very motivating. It was made worse when I got a puncture shortly after and his follow car helped me repair it. The mechanic told me he was on a recovery ride.Clearly time to hang up the skinny wheels and go mountain biking!!
Patchelicious Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Clearly time to hang up the skinny wheels and go mountain biking!!Is that what happens to all the soft roadies? Makes sense ????????
Fat Boab Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Is that what happens to all the soft roadies? Makes sense That will be why HTFU is also achieved with the blue pills.......
Patchelicious Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 That will be why HTFU is also achieved with the blue pills.......Soft, NOT flaccid you dirty old man ????
Fat Boab Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Soft, NOT flaccid you dirty old man I resemble that remark! Got confused; I read '20 mins standing is a long time' and thought you dudes needed a hand...
Patchelicious Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 I resemble that remark! Got confused; I read '20 mins standing is a long time' and thought you dudes needed a hand...A hand!?!? Hahaha. Oh goodness, this thread is on its way. Sorry Jurgens ????
Thor Buttox Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 A hand!?!? Hahaha. Oh goodness, this thread is on its way. Sorry Jurgens ????Mounting - participle. Mountain - noun. Learn your word forms, guys.
Fat Boab Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Most of my regular training partners are larger guys that prefer flat and sprinty efforts. Something I seriously dislike. So when I get the chance and we head to suikerbos is to set a decent tempo up the climbs then get out of the saddle and drop them hard. What I noticed, sometimes I'll go at a higher cadence (+-90-95rpm) where if I'm more tired I'll select a heavier gear to go at a steadier pace (+- 75-80 rpm) I was watching Contador climb today and he just makes it seem so effortless, but he hasn't responded to my tweet yet What type of intervals are there to actually train climbing out the saddle, and what is better - heavy gear/lower cadence or lighter gear/high cadence. Also, at what gradient is it more effective to stay seated vs standing? And please don't say just ride out of the saddle more I'm not sure this is a direct response to what you're asking, but use it/lose it......So for the last few months I've been doing more standing by way of cross-training (my view as some differing muscles get worked and I could do with that) and have observed he following: 1. Technique - it's taken some time to feel stable and relaxed, rather than lurching around. 2. As for gear choice, 2 comments: a. too small a gear feels hard work whilst standing as I can't get balanced - too big a gear, more balanced, but my legs take more strain. b. Even if I get an 'optimal' gear (see above), I seem to take more strain in general whilst standing. I don't have a power meter, but my gut says I go faster, but get 'exhausted' quicker whilst standing as I have less control over the power being put on the pedals (possibly due to 1 above?). So a short, punchy hill is one thing, but I can't stand on a long climb (all relative). 3. From a cross-training perspective, I like 2b above. I also like the additional upper body/core work. Does it translate to seated efforts, so far, I'd say yes. 4. How to train standing? Like any other aspect of physiology. In my case, I have a regular route which has several short-ish hills, so I include some of these as standing efforts (as well as some which are seated-spun and seated-mashed). I'm sure I could be more focused and do more standing hills, as an interval series, but can I be bothered? 5. Interestingly I'm looking at a road race which has a 35% short (<1km) section for next year. I know I won't gear-up to sit that at a sensibly high cadence, so will need to train to stand for that in granny, probably still at a low cadence. I tried standing on my regular hills in my biggest gear, the other day. My VMO is still protesting! Hope this helps?
Jurgens Smit Posted August 28, 2017 Author Posted August 28, 2017 Not going to comment on all the individual posts here now, so: I saw the GCN video, and while I do get that essentially it comes down to just riding more, there aren't many climbs in Gauteng that take 20min to climb(that I know of), SBR has 2 10-15min climbs at gradients where out of saddle is 'easier' than seated. The other thing is my time for outdoor riding is soon going to be severely limited due to a new job, so all training will have to be done on the IDT or off bike strength. So I've spoken to a few guys studying physiology, and they reckon, over/unders would help (over = standing/under = seated), some form of muscular endurance strength work.Ex: med weight/high rep squats(60% of max x 25-30 reps)High rep plyometric work(box jumps and jumping lunges/squats) But for the meanwhile I have a route that goes along our residential area that I do every so often. The climb bit is +-2Km at 5% normally I aim for 6-10 laps where I alternate between seated/standing.
V12man Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Take the saddle off... ...then go up some hills. ..you'll be motivated to stand. ...Done that before... 35km ride home with a broken seatpost.... I was pretty motivated to lie down afterwards....
V12man Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 I resemble that remark! Got confused; I read '20 mins standing is a long time' and thought you dudes needed a hand...They do use their hands.... that's why they have no standing endurance.... :clap:
Jurgens Smit Posted August 28, 2017 Author Posted August 28, 2017 5. Interestingly I'm looking at a road race which has a 35% short (<1km) section for next year. I know I won't gear-up to sit that at a sensibly high cadence, so will need to train to stand for that in granny, probably still at a low cadence. I tried standing on my regular hills in my biggest gear, the other day. My VMO is still protesting! Which race?
Fat Boab Posted August 28, 2017 Posted August 28, 2017 Which race? Not local, but sunny Scotland (http://tourotheborders.com/). Will be my new home later this year.....
Jurgens Smit Posted August 28, 2017 Author Posted August 28, 2017 Not local, but sunny Scotland (http://tourotheborders.com/). Will be my new home later this year..... Such a beautiful country.Last I was there was when we used to live in the UK. And the people make up for the shitty weather
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