Chris_ Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 I think I'm going to stick at it by myself for now. Next thing I buy will be a powermeter. I don't even have a computer on my bike so it'll cost a couple bucks to get that whole setup correct. I said this last year but I suspect triathlons will hang around in my future, if I keep going at Ironmans I'll inevitably run out of beginner luck and the easy gains, then I'll sign up for some coaching.
IceCreamMan Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 I have refrained from the scientific aspect of it and prefer to wing it, yes it no doubt costs me time and energy but so be it. I accept the merits of the technology an no doubt it could be of benefit but it ain’t ever going to make me scare the AG front runners and quite frankly whether I do IM in 12 hours or 14 hours makes not a jot of difference to me. I try keep it as simple and enjoyable as possible. I just love cycling and running and swimming. Don’t really follow a program either and never had a coach. I follow a rudimentary guide with so many hours running,swimming and cycling and try to have a ration of 25,25 and 50 percents. Sort of works for me, coach and power meters will have their place, I do however believe people over subscribe to both.
_David_ Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 Interesting read - Lionel Sanders, Kona 2017 https://lsanderstri.com/2017/10/19/kona-2017/ "The biggest advice I can offer anyone training for Ironman is this: I see athletes spending too much time at and around race pace. I think your time is better spent significantly above and below race pace. I averaged 305w AP / 313w NP for the ride in Kona. That was the only time the entire year that I spent time at that wattage. Secondly, as hard as you train, you must recover equally as hard. I see too many athletes over training". Total swim distance: 862244mTotal swim time: 261 hours and 5 minutesAverage daily swim distance: 2764mHighest daily swim mileage: 5700m Total run distance: 2960kmTotal run time: 190 hours and 7 minutesAverage weekly run distance: 65.8kmHighest weekly run mileage: 118kmHighest daily run mileage: 41km Total bike time: 285 hours and 25 minutesAverage weekly bike time: 6 hours and 26 minutesAverage daily bike time: 54 minutesLongest daily bike duration: 5 hours and 2 minutes Average weekly training duration: 16 hours and 27 minutesHighest weekly training duration: 25 hours and 58 minutes Total number of complete off days: 37
ScottCM Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 That is some serious commitment. Yes they are pro's and that's their jobs and all but still that is massively impressive.
_David_ Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 That is some serious commitment. Yes they are pro's and that's their jobs and all but still that is massively impressive. I was surprised at the lack of volume in his training especially on the bike. He averaged 16 to 25 hours a week. Seems low volume for a Pro? Average weekly bike time: 6 hours and 26 minutesAverage daily bike time: 54 minutesLongest daily bike duration: 5 hours and 2 minutes
shaper Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 He doing some big distances especially on the swim and run!! I just looked at my stats on strava for the year, my cycling is similar (hours), my running is half (distance wise) and my swimming is quarter (distance wise) If I think of my training this year and comparing it to Lionel's.... that some serious time put in daily being a pro!! And to get to a CTL of 182 before taper... yoh!!! As he say's you got to have to "cultivate a true love of training and racing"
shaper Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 I was surprised at the lack of volume in his training especially on the bike. He averaged 16 to 25 hours a week. Seems low volume for a Pro? Average weekly bike time: 6 hours and 26 minutesAverage daily bike time: 54 minutesLongest daily bike duration: 5 hours and 2 minutesI suspect he knows he is a good/competent cyclist and has focused more on his swimming and running being the potential areas of weakness?
EmJayZA Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Interesting read - Lionel Sanders, Kona 2017 https://lsanderstri.com/2017/10/19/kona-2017/ "The biggest advice I can offer anyone training for Ironman is this: I see athletes spending too much time at and around race pace. I think your time is better spent significantly above and below race pace. I averaged 305w AP / 313w NP for the ride in Kona. That was the only time the entire year that I spent time at that wattage. Secondly, as hard as you train, you must recover equally as hard. I see too many athletes over training". I was over trained for a long time, as my HR was persistently high. Thought it was an issue from getting sick, but until I took 2 weeks of some very light sessions, my HR came back down. My coach didn't pick this up even. It's not easy walking a line between stressing the body enough for adaptation and pushing a little too far - especially for people new to this sport. I however think it's better to err on the side of caution instead of that constant drive for better results.
Chris_ Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 i was looking just now at the Slowtwitch.com top 15 pros and their bikes, its really interesting to look through. Thing that amazed me was Ryf doesn't use a power meter nor a computer. Can't believe it, she's the only one.
_David_ Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 i was looking just now at the Slowtwitch.com top 15 pros and their bikes, its really interesting to look through. Thing that amazed me was Ryf doesn't use a power meter nor a computer. Can't believe it, she's the only one. Brett Sutton Ryf's coach :"we base our programs around the teaching of individuals to recognise their own limits, independent of the gadgets, as this is and always will be the more important thing in aerobic sport. It is not an unsophisticated approach. Steve Jobs was correct when he said simple is harder than complex."
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