Bicycling Magazine Loss of Values

[Eldron]

Set your moral compass wherever you like - its your prerogative.

 

Everybody does that already of course but what about feedback/control of publications?

 

Edit: What do you think would be acceptable in a bike magazine in terms of language/nudity?

[PygaSchmyga]

I'm sorry, I don't see how my interpretation of what he said is wrong? Please enlighten me to how what he said doesn't come back to him not being offended and it thus not being an issue?

 

And even if my interpretation of what he said is wrong, it doesn't make my post silly? The point stands that people have different opinions on things, if something offends you, but doesn't offend someone else, does not make your point any less valid.

[PygaSchmyga]

Everybody does that already of course but what about feedback/control of publications?

 

Edit: What do you think would be acceptable in a bike magazine in terms of language/nudity?

I don't think it matters much what I think. 

 

The magazine needs to pick content that it believes caters to its target market to continue to be a sustainable business, and then act accordingly.  the market will decide.  What I choose to find offensive may well be vastly different to what you choose to find offensive, and vice versa.  Framing this as a moral debate is lazy and sensationalist - the constant "OUTRAGE" that is around us all the time fueled by social media is just noise.  Exercise some discretion, apply a bit of maturity rather than bleat like a spoilt brat about how objectionable this or that is.  In my opinion. 

 

The point that the other poster did not get was that information of itself is not offensive.  People CHOOSE to be offended.

[DieselnDust]

OFF TOPIC

 

A long long time ago when I was ''n polisieman'' in the ''Suid Afrikaanse Polisie Mag'', ''n Kolonel'' told me that once we start neglecting the policing of petty crime, we will lose the fight against crime. Wise words spoken 30 plus years ago. ''Die Kolonel'' later became a General. I am writing this to reflect on the CRIME that is discussed on the Hub on a daily basis and not with regard to the OP's post. Sadly, as predicted, we are losing the fight. 

 

Back to the OP

 

Society (us) have allowed the steady degradation and we have accepted the ''anything goes'' attitude. Morals have flown out the window. We as parents and even grandparents have a duty to protect our kids/grandkids from unacceptable behavior/exposure for as long as possible. If its zap signs or violence or whatever, then surely it's your prerogative to speak up.

 

I feel for the OP but unfortunately, most of society doesn't see anything wrong with the article/picture. Well done for voicing your concern and what you believe in. Do change that swak name though to Janvriendelik or something less agro 

 

De Moerin is simply translated to The Nut is in so nothing really wrong there.

[Eldron]

I don't think it matters much what I think. 

 

The magazine needs to pick content that it believes caters to its target market to continue to be a sustainable business, and then act accordingly.  the market will decide.  What I choose to find offensive may well be vastly different to what you choose to find offensive, and vice versa.  Framing this as a moral debate is lazy and sensationalist - the constant "OUTRAGE" that is around us all the time fueled by social media is just noise.  Exercise some discretion, apply a bit of maturity rather than bleat like a spoilt brat about how objectionable this or that is.  In my opinion. 

 

The point that the other poster did not get was that information of itself is not offensive.  People CHOOSE to be offended.

 

What the magazine thinks will sell and what we as a public find acceptable are two different things.

 

Offense and morality are not mutually exclusive.

 

Edit: I actually agree with the OP writing to the magazine - maybe not the method/outrage but certainly the fact that he decided what he thinks is not acceptable and did something about it.

 

One of the issues in SA is that people don't (for the large part) get involved - they tend to moan to their mates or whinge on thehub. Someone having some moral fortitude/actions to words I find quite refreshing! Way better than reading random letters addressed to drivers of vehicles...

[Andrew Steer]

Hook line and sinkered....

Like shooting ducks in a barrel...   

 

The alternative of course was to allow baseless apparent internet trolling to be attributed to a brand we actually care about 

[lechatnoir]

That are filled with tannies asking why their there water/electricity is off, or whose dog they found

 

and filled with grammar Nazis 

[Patchelicious]

Thinking that we are entitled to try and use internet mob mentality to bully people into a bahavior that we want, is a far more dangerous mind set than one that thinks printing a picture of a zap is edgy.

[Patchelicious]

The OP is entitled to voice his opinion and concern. But he is not entitled to a response.

[PygaSchmyga]

What the magazine thinks will sell and what we as a public find acceptable are two different things.

 

Offense and morality are not mutually exclusive.

 

This is ropey ground, bound to be fraught with emotive and very personal comments.  My take is that I don't think the matter at hand moves the dial enough to consider this to even be a moral issue.  Surely there has to be a threshold?

 

 

Edit: I actually agree with the OP writing to the magazine - maybe not the method/outrage but certainly the fact that he decided what he thinks is not acceptable and did something about it.

 

Op can write to whoever the hell he wants - throw in the Eater Bunny and Santa Claus if you like.  Crying about not getting a response is a different story.  To this I would say, grow up, son

 

One of the issues in SA is that people don't (for the large part) get involved - they tend to moan to their mates or whinge on thehub. Someone having some moral fortitude/actions to words I find quite refreshing! Way better than reading random letters addressed to drivers of vehicles...

 

Sorry, but there's is little difference between writing to the magazine and posting on the Hub - its all the same - thinking that our opinions are grand, and that everyone is entitled to hear them.  It's all BS, and getting all poopipant when people think you have written a load of k@k is just sad.  All opinions are NOT equal.  Who decides?  The group decides by overwhelming consensus, that's who.  In this case, the Hub mob.  If one doesn't like it, then leave, I guess?

[Jase619]

 

I'm sorry, I don't see how my interpretation of what he said is wrong? Please enlighten me to how what he said doesn't come back to him not being offended and it thus not being an issue?

 

And even if my interpretation of what he said is wrong, it doesn't make my post silly? The point stands that people have different opinions on things, if something offends you, but doesn't offend someone else, does not make your point any less valid.

 

 

Alright, so you can point out that I have misinterpreted something(very vaguely at that by alluding to the fact that I need to read more), but not explain to me when I ask for clarification. Instead you post a silly response instead of backing up your point of view. Why have an issue in the first place?  

[Jase619]

and filled with grammar Nazis 

 

Haha, oops, luckily the grammar Nazis only seem to be on here, as the language used on such whatsapp groups is so bad they tend to make my eyes bleed.

 

I apologise for my incorrect spelling, I shall punish myself accordingly

[johannrissik]

I had no idea that people still bought and read these magazines ?

[scotty]

I had no idea that people still bought and read these magazines ?

You need not buy the physical magazine, you can get it online. This would of course solve the op's outrage in that he can first scrutinize it for any offending articles, words, suggestions, pics etc before allowing his kids access to it. 

[Escapee..]

Tour de Bogan was also featured right here on the Hub

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/features/_/articles/ride-reports/tour-de-bogan-r7441

 

 

I was offended by the oke in the white onderbroek

[Cat2forLife]

What a fun way to spend a Tuesday morning.