The Veganism Thread

[Patchelicious]

IMO because it's not "an animal" , even though it is. It's an aquatic creature. Pescatarians find it easier to say they're veggie, but eat fish. If they said they're pescatarian the majority of ppl would say huh wot?! And then cook them some lamb. 

I suppose its where people draw their own red line on this type of spectrum.

 

 

[forkie]

IMO because it's not "an animal" , even though it is. It's an aquatic creature. Pescatarians find it easier to say they're veggie, but eat fish. If they said they're pescatarian the majority of ppl would say huh wot?! And then cook them some lamb. 

Fish is probably the most unsustainable food source we have. i really dont get why someone to choose to just eat fish.

[Mudsimus]

I suppose its where people draw their own red line on this type of spectrum.

 

 

I had rabbit in Kenya last year. It's amazing.

[Mudsimus]

I had rabbit in Kenya last year. It's amazing.

I went to The Carnivore restaurant with a colleague one night. It must be the Vegan hell. Even I was put of meat for a couple of days.

[forkie]

I had rabbit in Kenya last year. It's amazing.

we often eat rabbit. it is very good. 

 

Regarding the pet vs food thing. I think its as basic as herbivores taste better than carnivores and so we dont enjoy eating cats and dogs and most other carnivorous mammals. If the did taste as good, our fore fathers would have eaten them and not become freinds with them

Edited February 27, 2019 by forkie

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I had rabbit in Kenya last year. It's amazing.

And squirrel! Bloody rodent scum, those things. Especially in the UK, where the grey squirrel has all but wiped out the red. 

[Odinson]

The new trendy # on my Instagram feed is "Reducetarian" and "Flexitarians" I don't get it. So you still eat meat, just less. Or you only include meat when you feel like it. So do you only feel half the guilt then?

 

Flexitarianism is more focused on environmental impact and dietary preferences than ethics, but I think there is definitely a trendy element to labeling your diet.  

 

If someone eats less animals, better for the environment and maybe even they're health. 

[Eldron]

Milk is actually between 3 and 4 % protein ( depending on whether it's low fat or full cream ) . So around 20 grams of protein per 500 ml of full cream milk or 15 grams of low fat serving .

 

Herewith a list of the protein content of your more common recovery drinks per 500 ml serving :

 

USN Recovery  : 20,2 grams ( pro-recover ) 

Cadence Revive  :  22,6 grams  (revive )

High 5 Recovery  : 18 grams   (recovery-drink )

Biogen Recovergen : 16,7 gram ( recovergen )

Hammer Recoverite : 10 grams  (https://www.hammernutrition.com/products/recovery/recoverite)

 

I can go on , but I think you get the picture ?

 

Now ,,, what does a glass of milk cost compared to the recovery drinks ? Are they really that much better ??

 

Maybe there are vegan recovery drinks that are better than milk , but I don't know any of them ? I am willing to learn though .

 

It sounds like you've done your research so if you already know any of this skip it :-)

 

Don't take "serving size" as gospel - it's based on body weight and exercise intensity. A 100kg man after a 5 hour Epic stage will need more than double a 60kg man after a 90mins of intermediate riding.

 

I'm 82kg and after a 5 hours stage I like to take in around 35-40g. This makes milk too diluted to consume the amount of protein I need. I fortify it with concentrated protein powder (typically >80% protein powder).

 

That is what I mean by relatively poor recovery drink.

 

The other reason is quantity versus quality. Milk protein and "basic" whey protein recovery drinks have almost identical PDCAA scores (they're both whey proteins) but a good protein recovery drink will have enzymes to aid digestion, modified/optimized amino acid profile and various other ingredients to aid recovery. Milk has a fixed composition and is made to grow calves rather than recover athletes.

 

I'm not saying milk is bad - far from it - milk is better than most freely available post ride food options - the right recovery drink/blend of milk and recovery drink is better.

 

All in my opinion of course - I'm an engineer not a nutritionist. I have done what I consider enough research but am always open to correction/enlightenment on the subject.

[Odinson]

https://youtu.be/-VZe1ijox9Q

[Chris_]

Time magazine put out another article on eggs. This time citing a new study saying that eating dietary cholesterol found in eggs may be associated with a heightened risk of cardiovascular disease. 

 

This obviously despite recent popular belief around both eggs and dietary cholesterol being good in your diet. Wishy washy article though.

 

http://time.com/5551508/are-eggs-bad-for-you/?utm_source=emailshare&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-share-article&utm_content=20190318

 

 

[Odinson]

Really busy couple of weeks, so been neglecting this thread a tad. So, here's a quick update blast: 

 

 

 

Animal-rights organization, Surge, has announced the release of its first ever vegan advert campaign in London.

 

https://vimeo.com/324794073

 

 

Global burger giant McDonald's has launched vegan vegetable nuggets in Norway.

 

The nuggets feature potatoes, chickpeas, onion, carrots, and corn, covered in a fried, crispy coating.

 

 

 

Comedian, author, and actor, Russell Brand, has revealed his return to veganism, after first attempting the lifestyle back in 2011.

Brand, who recently appeared on the TV show The Great Celebrity Bake Off for Stand Up to Cancer, announced the news on social media.

He tweeted: "I've been baking like a maniac ever since. And I'm vegan now (again). #StandUpToCancer #GBBO @BritishBakeOff."

The tweet, which gained over 3,000 likes, caught the attention of animal-rights organization PETA, who thanked Brand for 'choosing the vegan life'.

Ex-vegan

In 2011, Brand's now ex-wife, Katy Perry, tweeted: "Me & the Mr. just watched 'Forks Over Knives'. You can get it on Netflix!" To which Brand wrote: "I'm now vegan, goodbye eggs, hello Ellen."

Since then, Brand left the vegan movement and returned to consuming animal products.

'Conflicting opinions'

The recent news of his re-transition to veganism has caused speculation on social media, with people asking the star to clarify his status.

One person replied to his 2011 tweet, saying: "This was a while ago now, yet in 2014 you asked for help in becoming vegan (The Trews). What’s the situation now - I’m trying to put to bed some conflicting opinions on your vegan status."

 

 

 

Veganism is on the rise and the food industry must adapt, says celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay.

Ramsay made the comments during an appearance on The Late Late Show hosted by James Corden.

During the interview, the chef spoke about the latest addition his Bread Street Kitchen restaurant menu, a vegan Sunday Roast.

Vegan rise

"Veganism is on the rise, so we’ve got to adapt and we just have to eat a slice of humble pie," he told Corden.

Ramsay has done just that: earlier this year, he launched a vegan menu to celebrate Veganuary, featuring dishes including wild mushroom and truffle risotto and chocolate avocado and almond mousse.

In 2018, the chef added a vegan pizza to his menu, creating media buzz by sharing an image of the cheeseless pizza, tweeting: "Going to give this vegan thing a try. Yes guys, you heard that right."

Piers Morgan

Ramsay also addressed the criticism television host Piers Morgan directed at the new roast during the interview.

Morgan had taken to Twitter to say: "Oh FFS, Ramsay... not you as well? This looks utterly revolting."

Ramsay said: "So Piers Morgan is now a food critic?! Go and f*** yourself! Seriously?"

 

 

 

Vegan climate change activist Greta Thunberg, who is just 16-years-old, has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Thunberg has made global headlines through her campaigning, which includes encouraging students to attend demonstrations demanding political action on climate change while 'on strike' from school. Her influence has spread beyond her native Sweden throughout Europe and beyond. 

According to reports, Thunberg has persuaded her family to go vegan and give up flying, saying: "For me none of this is a sacrifice, I don't need those things. I understand that some people see it as a sacrifice."

Nobel prize

Under Nobel Peace Prize rules any national lawmaker can nominate someone for the prize. 

Three Norwegian lawmakers from the Socialist Left Party named Thunberg, saying 'the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution', adding 'climate threats are perhaps one of the most important contributions to war and conflict'.

Thunberg said she is 'honored and very grateful for this nomination'.

COP 24

A speech made by Thunberg at global climate change conference COP 24 in Poland reached millions of people after it was posted on YouTube last year. Speaking at the conference, Thunberg addressed world leaders and said: "You have ignored us in the past, and you will ignore us again.

"You say you love your children above all else, and yet you are stealing their future in front of their very eyes.

"You only talk about moving forward with the same bad ideas that got us into this mess even when the only sensible thing to do is pull the emergency brake. You are not mature enough to tell it like it is."

 

[Odinson]

https://youtu.be/BJVrgHhaZ5o

[Odinson]

Time magazine put out another article on eggs. This time citing a new study saying that eating dietary cholesterol found in eggs may be associated with a heightened risk of cardiovascular disease. 

 

This obviously despite recent popular belief around both eggs and dietary cholesterol being good in your diet. Wishy washy article though.

 

http://time.com/5551508/are-eggs-bad-for-you/?utm_source=emailshare&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-share-article&utm_content=20190318

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvCp-wCBWJo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

In recent years, there has been a growing perception that eggs and dietary cholesterol aren’t as bad as we once thought. But a large new study calls this into question.

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The study, published in one of the most prestigious medical journals, included 29,615 people followed for a median 17.5 years. The authors evaluated whether egg intake or dietary cholesterol was linked to a higher risk of cardiovascular disease or death from any cause.

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Their findings? The more eggs or cholesterol that participants consumed, the higher their risk of CV disease or death from any cause; there was a clear dose-response.

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Specifically: each additional half of an egg per day was associated with a 6% increased risk of CV disease and 8% increased risk of death over the course of the study. The risks were even more dramatic in women—13% higher risk of CV disease and 16% higher risk of death for each additional half an egg per day.

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Each additional 300mg of dietary cholesterol per day (1 egg=186mg cholesterol) was linked to a 17% increased risk of CV disease and an 18% increased risk of death from any cause (not to mention a 14% higher risk of heart failure and a 26% higher risk of stroke). Again, the risk was magnified in women (28% higher risk of death from any cause).

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What about people eating an overall healthy diet with lots of fruits and vegetables?  Notably, even these participants experienced a significantly higher risk of CV disease when they had an extra half an egg or 300mg cholesterol per day.

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Of course, correlation does not equal causation, but these findings include adjustment for many variables and potential confounders, including age, sex, race, education, smoking, and physical activity, and remained significant even after authors controlled for diabetes, body mass index, blood pressure, blood cholesterol, and other CV risk factors.

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Bottom line: we have no biological requirement to consume cholesterol or eggs; indeed, this large study (among others) suggests that we are better off when we avoid them. Our bodies can make all the cholesterol we need, and we can get other nutrients found in eggs from healthier sources.

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Reference: Zhong et al, JAMA 2019

[Odinson]

Cheap ass lentils 

 

https://www.facebook.com/LovingItVegan/videos/1899695426826357/

[Patchelicious]

“Vegan YouTube star slammed after she was caught eating fish at restaurant“

 

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/vegan-youtube-star-slammed-after-she-was-caught-eating-fish-at-restaurant

[Mudsimus]

“Vegan YouTube star slammed after she was caught eating fish at restaurant“

 

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/vegan-youtube-star-slammed-after-she-was-caught-eating-fish-at-restaurant

"and was advised by a doctor to start incorporating eggs and fish into her diet, which she did."

 

Smart girl.