The Abortion Issue

[Robbie Stewart]

You only base your opinion on science when it is not in conflict with your beliefs/religion.

 

example?

[Odinson]

Couldn't help but think of Monty Pythen here - every sperm is sacred ...

 

That the All Might Father hasn't struck me down for my shower exploits... 

[Skubarra]

example?

 

your "scientific" claim that life begins at conception?

[Gen]

I don't agree. Yes, it says the wife submits to her husband, in the same way that Christ submits to the Father. Again, a proper study of scripture will reveal that even though Christ submits to the will of the Father, He is still on an equal footing. His submission is not forced, it is a willful submission, whereby He does the good and perfect will of the Father. We are commanded as men, to care and provide for our wives and children, and not doing so will prevent us from being able to approach God.

 

As for the bible being a construct of a group of power hungry men, well now. The burden of proof is on you to back up your statement, although, ~1500 years of time between the first and last books of the bible, as well as decades, if not centuries, of scholarly effort, disproves that theory.

The bible is full of stories the message is how to live wrapped up in if you don't do it like this you will burn in eternal hell. A history book compiled over many many years with the purpose of giving people rules to follow..History books are are always filled with power hungry people.

 

But this topic is not on religion although conservatives probably based their vote on it, if you want to discuss we can do it via PM.

[Gen]

example?

your "scientific" claim that life begins at conception?

Exactly.

[gummibear]

With all these baby dumping boxes going up there'll be no need for abortions soon.

 

 

 

[Edition 507]

No. A miscarriage is a medical condition, whereby the woman is unable to carry the baby full term. God does not want anyone to die, but sadly, some do. But then, if a child does sadly die, that child is with Him.

As I understand it you believe life begins at conception so I'm just trying to get my head around what a few day old fertilized egg that fails to attach to the mothers womb is going to do in the presence of God?

[Robbie Stewart]

As I understand it you believe life begins at conception so I'm just trying to get my head around what a few day old fertilized egg that fails to attach to the mothers womb is going to do in the presence of God?

God creates human life in His image. If that life ends, at whichever stage, it returns to Him. If it's life in a fertilized egg stage, it's still life, which ultimately would be a living, breathing human if born normally.

 

When do you presume that the conceived egg begets human status?

 

My daughter had a visible heartbeat of 140 odd bpm at 5 weeks, and on the scan already resembled a distinct human shape. When was she a live human?

[Stretch]

 

 

As for the bible being a construct of a group of power hungry men, well now. The burden of proof is on you to back up your statement, although, ~1500 years of time between the first and last books of the bible, as well as decades, if not centuries, of scholarly effort, disproves that theory.

Compiled by a bunch of men who decided which books to include or exclude, made up bits that were missing or lost in translation

[Edition 507]

God creates human life in His image. If that life ends, at whichever stage, it returns to Him. If it's life in a fertilized egg stage, it's still life, which ultimately would be a living, breathing human if born normally.

 

When do you presume that the conceived egg begets human status?

 

My daughter had a visible heartbeat of 140 odd bpm at 5 weeks, and on the scan already resembled a distinct human shape. When was she a live human?

Bro, I'm asking the questions! What does a 5 day old fertilized ovum do in heaven once it has failed to attach to its mothers uterus, dies, and returns to God?

[Stretch]

Bro, I'm asking the questions! What does a 5 day old fertilized ovum do in heaven once it has failed to attach to its mothers uterus, dies, and returns to God?

Im still trying to work out why god would create a life in a body that's gonna reject that life in a few weeks

[Odinson]

Bro, I'm asking the questions! What does a 5 day old fertilized ovum do in heaven once it has failed to attach to its mothers uterus, dies, and returns to God?

Sings the lord’s praises for all of eternity. Duh!

[stefmeister]

Bro, I'm asking the questions! What does a 5 day old fertilized ovum do in heaven once it has failed to attach to its mothers uterus, dies, and returns to God?

Going to an Aborted Fetus moshpit would be more fitting. [emoji2960]

[Andrew Steer]

Ah... Friday.

 

Where we'll try have logical debates with people who have long abandoned that simplest of notions - basing their lives on the most muddled, confused and 're-interpreted' story book in history.

 

Please do not expect a rational or critical thought process dear friends - there will be no changing of minds - this is all merely a test of their blind faith. And fear not, they shall pass with flying colors, as that is God's will. 

 

Knock yourselves out 

[Robbie Stewart]

Bro, I'm asking the questions! What does a 5 day old fertilized ovum do in heaven once it has failed to attach to its mothers uterus, dies, and returns to God?

 

God created man in His image, as I have already mentioned. Body, Soul (mind and intellect) and Spirit (your eternal you, who comes from Him). In God's creation, everything was perfect, but man's disobedience allowed sin to enter our world. Because of that sin, all of creation is subject to the effects thereof, including decay, disease and death. An unviable fetus was never part of God's original design. That was a result of man's rebellion against God's perfect will.

 

God having made man a free agent, had to have given us free will, including the right to choose between good and evil, else we would not be truly free-agent humans with a capacity to make up our own minds about whatever. 

 

So now, because sickness, disease, death and decay reign freely, we sometimes are subject to the effects thereof, whether we like it or not. When God creates a new life, and for whatever reason that life ends, or never begins as you are trying to imply, the eternal part of that life returns to Him.

[Andrew Steer]

Are there even any wimmen (Alabama accent and spelling) posting on this thread?

Several funny enough... all of them pro choice from what I can recall as well.

 

But what would they know...