The pipetrack above Hout Bay is closed!

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:07 AM, Hairy said:

Have you contacted the roads or town planning department to ask them RE the works?

 

That area should fall under Southern District, relevant details attached and hopefully they can assist you.

I might go up there and ask...

[Hairy]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:10 AM, Bicyclegear said:

I might go up there and ask...

The planning offices are closed to the public thanks to Covid, you would have to call or send an email to the addy on the contacts list. 

 

Staff are working from home, with the land lines directed to their cell or land lines.....personally I have found that when you make contact with the council staff whilst they are working from home, they are far more approachable and willing to assist vs when they are sitting in office.

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:14 AM, Hairy said:

The planning offices are closed to the public thanks to Covid, you would have to call or send an email to the addy on the contacts list. 

 

Staff are working from home, with the land lines directed to their cell or land lines.....personally I have found that when you make contact with the council staff whilst they are working from home, they are far more approachable and willing to assist vs when they are sitting in office.

I meant going up to the site office of the developer.

[Hairy]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:16 AM, Bicyclegear said:

I meant going up to the site office of the developer.

Ah ... that is a completely different subject all together .... but do make the call to council first as the developer may just have approval for the works.

[Eddy Gordo]

  On 4/14/2021 at 5:12 AM, Bicyclegear said:

Do you have link to the article still?

Found it.

 

https://yourproperty.co.za/langebaan-property-owner-defies-court-over-road-access/

 

"The association argued in court that a public right of way, constituted by ancient use, existed in favour of the public along the route followed by the white road – made of gravel and white sand.

Judge Saba said if Dormell Properties failed to open the road, the sheriff of the High Court would do it."

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:18 AM, Eddy Gordo said:

Found it.

 

https://yourproperty.co.za/langebaan-property-owner-defies-court-over-road-access/

 

"The association argued in court that a public right of way, constituted by ancient use, existed in favour of the public along the route followed by the white road – made of gravel and white sand.

Judge Saba said if Dormell Properties failed to open the road, the sheriff of the High Court would do it."

Thanks

[Alouette3]

Looks like the ERF does extend below the pipe track down to the main road

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:27 AM, Alouette3 said:

Looks like the ERF does extend below the pipe track down to the main road

Pity as it goes right through the property.

[Alouette3]

Another approach would be to get the local Sentinel Newspaper on to the story, that will get the local public all worked up like they do best in the Republic

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:30 AM, Alouette3 said:

Another approach would be to get the local Sentinel Newspaper on to the story, that will get the local public all worked up like they do best in the Republic

I will think we should first talk to developer...

[Hairy]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:18 AM, Eddy Gordo said:

Found it.

 

https://yourproperty.co.za/langebaan-property-owner-defies-court-over-road-access/

 

"The association argued in court that a public right of way, constituted by ancient use, existed in favour of the public along the route followed by the white road – made of gravel and white sand.

Judge Saba said if Dormell Properties failed to open the road, the sheriff of the High Court would do it."

I would be very interested in knowing what constitutes an "ancient use" time frame.

[Eddy Gordo]

Have a look at various land use/farm and road docs from the city.

 

this one has some interesting mentions

 

https://www.westerncape.gov.za/other/2012/8/road_access_guidelines_latest.pdf

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:47 AM, Eddy Gordo said:

Have a look at various land use/farm and road docs from the city.

 

this one has some interesting mentions

 

https://www.westerncape.gov.za/other/2012/8/road_access_guidelines_latest.pdf

detailed! Where does one start?

[EddieV]

  On 4/14/2021 at 7:56 AM, Bicyclegear said:

detailed! Where does one start?

 

I once owned a property where the deed specified servitude (albeit it was for underground infrastructure etc.) ... but the property deed might thus have something in it 

Edited April 14, 2021 by EddieV

[Bicyclegear]

  On 4/14/2021 at 8:08 AM, EddieV said:

I once owned a property where the deed specified servitude (albeit it was for underground infrastructure etc.) ... but the property deed might thus have something in it 

So if it is classified servitude, it must stay open to the public?

[Alouette3]

Interesting that this Google Earth pic shows the Pipe track labelled as "Bay Rd"

 

  On 4/14/2021 at 8:08 AM, EddieV said:

I once owned a property where the deed specified servitude (albeit it was for underground infrastructure etc.) ... but the property deed might thus have something in it