Buyers Advice on Classified Ads

[ACE Cycles]

3 minutes ago, porqui said:

Assumptions maybe yes.

My opinion is based on facts. And I witness it daily, in the trade. 

Would you be so kind as to show me where I am wrong? 

[Hairy]

1 minute ago, gemmerbal said:

i guess if you know people overpaid because they are inexperienced buyers and you are an experienced seller, that makes you a great businessman and them dumb idjits? mmmm....

I know where I won't be shopping thanks.

Another analogy .... and a real life occurrence

Riding home through town, seeing two older tourists going for a walk late in the evening, in the direction of the part of town where you know the chances of them being mugged or hurt is pretty much a certainty. Cycled up to them to let them know this and point them to the safe tourist part of town. 
Should I have just left them to their own devices as they should have certainly Googled where they should not be walking, or did I do the right thing.

[ACE Cycles]

5 minutes ago, gemmerbal said:

i guess if you know people overpaid because they are inexperienced buyers and you are an experienced seller, that makes you a great businessman and them dumb idjits? mmmm....

I know where I won't be shopping thanks.

I must say, creative way of twisting my words.. 

That's not what I said at all

[Hairy]

Just now, ACE Cycles said:

My opinion is based on facts. And I witness it daily, in the trade. 

Would you be so kind as to show me where I am wrong? 

I am telling you from personal experience you are wrong, and the reason I know that is because when the people I have previously noted were looking for a bike, I told them to run it past me if they did not mind.

On more than one occasion they came along with bikes they thought were great, but were ridiculously over priced rubbish. They would have bought these bikes.

New commuters in our group have fallen into the trap of such "bad ads" before when they bought a bike to join the group and had no idea what they were doing.

F.A.C.T

[ACE Cycles]

2 minutes ago, Hairy said:

Another analogy .... and a real life occurrence

Riding home through town, seeing two older tourists going for a walk late in the evening, in the direction of the part of town where you know the chances of them being mugged or hurt is pretty much a certainty. Cycled up to them to let them know this and point them to the safe tourist part of town. 
Should I have just left them to their own devices as they should have certainly Googled where they should not be walking, or did I do the right thing.

Who would the dealer be in this scenario? 

[gemmerbal]

3 minutes ago, ACE Cycles said:

Can I Google the price of cashews in Moz? Are there platforms to do research, read reviews and get information before making an informed decision? 

believe it or not, some people still believe in the greater good of shops/dealers/other people and unfortunately these are the people that are uninformed because they believe that a dealer/shop/fruit seller/etc will sell them something at a fair and reasonable price. you have just proven that you are willing to abuse that privileged position.

[porqui]

1 minute ago, Hairy said:

Another analogy .... and a real life occurrence

Riding home through town, seeing two older tourists going for a walk late in the evening, in the direction of the part of town where you know the chances of them being mugged or hurt is pretty much a certainty. Cycled up to them to let them know this and point them to the safe tourist part of town. 
Should I have just left them to their own devices as they should have certainly Googled where they should not be walking, or did I do the right thing.

This happened here in Hout Bay. Tourists WARNED about the dangers of walking down a section of road. Chose to do so anyway and were promptly robbed of everything. Informed choice made - YES.

[ACE Cycles]

1 minute ago, gemmerbal said:

believe it or not, some people still believe in the greater good of shops/dealers/other people and unfortunately these are the people that are uninformed because they believe that a dealer/shop/fruit seller/etc will sell them something at a fair and reasonable price. you have just proven that you are willing to abuse that privileged position.

Please, take some time and go look at my ads and reviews before attempting to defame my character on a public platform 

So when I raise a point around the free market model you immediately assume that I use the system to take advantage of people in my own business? 

Don't draw parallels where they don't exist 

[ACE Cycles]

6 minutes ago, Hairy said:

I am telling you from personal experience you are wrong, and the reason I know that is because when the people I have previously noted were looking for a bike, I told them to run it past me if they did not mind.

On more than one occasion they came along with bikes they thought were great, but were ridiculously over priced rubbish. They would have bought these bikes.

New commuters in our group have fallen into the trap of such "bad ads" before when they bought a bike to join the group and had no idea what they were doing.

F.A.C.T

That's unfortunate, it really is. Are these lower end bikes, like unde R15k? I definitely don't see this in the mid to high end

[Hairy]

1 minute ago, ACE Cycles said:

Who would the dealer be in this scenario? 

Now you are asking me to go back in my memory banks for the dealers or sellers (both prof. and regular sellers fall into the "bad ads"section) to recall this from pre Covid, as this is when I last commuted.

Two instances since Covid restrictions lifting, with a lady looking for a road bike, then a student looking for a mountain bike.  They both eventually got good bikes from this site after helping them out. I can honestly not recall where they dodged the bullet.

I would have referred you to the multitude of poor examples of bikes being sold in the now closed Classifieds thread, but that is not possible.

You will note, I have not called or alluded to you or your business in a negative light, but have only noted you do not seem to mind the manner in which some sellers can take advantage of a buyer who has no cooking clue what they are looking at, but came here to look for a bike because this buyer was referred to look for a bike on the Hub as it is meant (was meant) to be a community that is passionate about cycling and the person would not be taken advantage of.

 

[ACE Cycles]

1 minute ago, Hairy said:

Now you are asking me to go back in my memory banks for the dealers or sellers (both prof. and regular sellers fall into the "bad ads"section) to recall this from pre Covid, as this is when I last commuted.

Two instances since Covid restrictions lifting, with a lady looking for a road bike, then a student looking for a mountain bike.  They both eventually got good bikes from this site after helping them out. I can honestly not recall where they dodged the bullet.

I would have referred you to the multitude of poor examples of bikes being sold in the now closed Classifieds thread, but that is not possible.

You will note, I have not called or alluded to you or your business in a negative light, but have only noted you do not seem to mind the manner in which some sellers can take advantage of a buyer who has no cooking clue what they are looking at, but came here to look for a bike because this buyer was referred to look for a bike on the Hub as it is meant (was meant) to be a community that is passionate about cycling and the person would not be taken advantage of.

 

I meant, in your tourist analogy, who would the dealer be

[Hairy]

7 minutes ago, gemmerbal said:

believe it or not, some people still believe in the greater good of shops/dealers/other people and unfortunately these are the people that are uninformed because they believe that a dealer/shop/fruit seller/etc will sell them something at a fair and reasonable price. you have just proven that you are willing to abuse that privileged position.

I bought my first motorbike since leaving school from a dealer. I bought if from a dealer as my wife insisted I do so as a dealer would be "safer".

I did my homework as best I could on line, but there were a good many things that were not made clear to me building up to the sale and came back to bite me later. 

[ACE Cycles]

Just now, Hairy said:

I bought my first motorbike since leaving school from a dealer. I bought if from a dealer as my wife insisted I do so as a dealer would be "safer".

I did my homework as best I could on line, but there were a good many things that were not made clear to me building up to the sale and came back to bite me later. 

I have a feeling that you left school a while ago. There is a lot more info on the www these days

[Hairy]

1 minute ago, ACE Cycles said:

I meant, in your tourist analogy, who would the dealer be

In my tourist analogy it would be any person or business that would willing not stand up for what they know to be wrong. Now how this person or business determines what is wrong is up to their own values.

I feel selling a used bike for the same price as new bike falls into the "wrong" catagory.

Please explain to me where you are trying to lead me with very specific questions, and do you endorse the advert I posted here noting the used vs new bike price?

[Hairy]

Just now, ACE Cycles said:

I have a feeling that you left school a while ago. There is a lot more info on the www these days

I left school a while ago, but I never stopped learning. 

What I have learnt in life is that if you do not share the life lessons you earned with others, then you are worth nothing, and others have to go through the same trials and tribulations you have already been through.

Define what you think a "while ago" may be?

[ACE Cycles]

1 minute ago, Hairy said:

In my tourist analogy it would be any person or business that would willing not stand up for what they know to be wrong. Now how this person or business determines what is wrong is up to their own values.

I feel selling a used bike for the same price as new bike falls into the "wrong" catagory.

Please explain to me where you are trying to lead me with very specific questions, and do you endorse the advert I posted here noting the used vs new bike price?

If the tourists paid a professional tour operator who didn't advise them of the danger, that would be wrong. 

I don't feel professionally comfortable in sharing my opinion on a fellow competitor's ad on a public platform 

Yes, I agree with you, lawful practice and ethical practice and socially acceptable practice are all a different kettle of fish and boils down to each individual's values