Drilling cable stops and frame warranty

[Wyatt Earp]

3 Epics with XTR cable kits and I had not a days worth of hassles, even with the rainy day 1 in 2006 (if I remember correctly)

[Tumbleweed]

The bike is only a few months old.

Good point there Johan.
However' date=' I just sometime get the feeling that some manufactures will do anything to not replace a warranty frame.
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They can try, but not legally so. The lawyers here will help me out but the law protects us from that type of practice. If you paint your brand new car pink and the gearbox fails, they may not dishonour the gaurantee due to an unrelated modification, even if the American brochure warns you about it.

  

 

awful analogy. car guarantees are very different to bike guarantees. various things on cars are guanteed for various periods, mileages etc. would you be prepared to pay the legal fees of anyone who uses your advice then loses out when it comes to a claim? 

[Johan Bornman]

Holy, you're an eternal pessimist and often look for problems where they dont exist.

 

My analogy demonstrates that two unrelated issues cannot be boxed together in one gaurantee, no matter how hard the gaurantor tries. Provide an alternative if you don't like it.

 

You may not like my advice, but don't trash it because you're uncertain of a possible outcome of an unlikely scenario.

 

Clearly, if some poepol goes and drills the stops and the drill gets snagged in the slot in the stop (as it does) and rips a piece of the frame out and he now tries to a) claim from me and b) claim from the frame manufacuturer, it would be silly.

 

Secondly, if he drills through the stops and forgets to stop in time and therefore drills right through the frame and now has a hole in his frame where water comes in and the next rainstorm fills the frame with water and it corrodes and breaks off somehwere and as a result he breaks his neck, he deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

 

On the other hand, a well-executed mechanical procedure is safe,  predictable and comes with a low or zero risk.

 

I've described the procedure here plenty of times and warned against drilling. I've stated that it should be filed instead and I've posted pictures of the procedure.

 

In the world you live in we would have warning labels on every knife - Warning, the Slicing Device You are About to Operate could Cut - and banana peels would be fitted with warning stickers. Coffee will be served at room temperature. Doctors will make you sign before they put a spatula on your tongue and cars will have I Accept The Terms And Conditions of operating This Vehicle software buttons we press each time we want to start the damn thing.

 

We would all have our own personal lawyers to sue and blame someone else for our own stupid mistakes.

 

I don't give out *** advice, even when I'm bolshy and push the rules. So, to satisfy the Barries of this world, how's this for a gaurantee?

 

If you follow my advice and modify your frame's cable stops within the confines of common sense and according to the method I described in my recommendation without botching the job and, your frame breaks as a result of that modification, I'll buy you a new frame.

 

Happy?

 

Tech Q&A is not for clutses and some people should not hang around here. Maybe it should come with a warning. I'll speak to Admin about one for guys like you. 

 

[GoLefty!!]

Mud is actually not such a bad environment. [ducks and waits for shots]

 

 

[none so far, maybe they listening]

 

mud is sand and water. Yes in some places it's got some grass or other orgnic matter in it but essentially the particle size is very large and therefore it's not the dirt that gets past but the water.

The dirt is eventually transported inner the outer housing via the water but these are smaller particles and they do eventualy flush out with the water.

 

However in dusty conditions, fine dirt particles tend to be more easily transported in the outer housing. You don'tfeel teh difference because there is a lot of space inside the out housing. Now after months of riding the rider goes through a wet race and the water mixes with the dirt already inside and hey presto, grinding paste, mud jam. Gears stop working.

 

A continuous outer ensures that there only two entry points and these are  the best opportunity to not provide a better seal but a mcuh larger volume in which dirt can accumulate before it becomes a problem that a influences shifting.

 

The best sytem won;t have any outer housing but that won't work so good..

 

fit those Jagwire frame guide plugs and run continuous housing.

 

if you want to file the cable guides out then just be careful not to damage the frame.

I think its criminal not to offer the purchaser the option of continuous housing.

 

But more cable kits keeps the moeny machne turning over.

 

 

 

[dirtrider]

Johan I did not read all the hoo-haa but in my opinion drilling in that area of the frame is just stooopid !

[DawieO]

JHD: You doing full cable outers?

 

You could also use these widgets if you are concened.

BBB Hydroclamps:

 

 

 

 

WHERE TO GET? 

I like.

 

 

[Johan Bornman]

Johan I did not read all the hoo-haa but in my opinion drilling in that area of the frame is just stooopid !

 

Since you haven't read it all, you may not realise this but we are in agreement.

 

Like I said, drilling is bad, filing is good.

 

[dirtrider]

aha

[Tumbleweed]

Holy' date=' you're an eternal pessimist and often look for problems where they dont exist.

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that's rather unfair. i consider myself one of the more positive people here.  

My analogy demonstrates that two unrelated issues cannot be boxed together in one gaurantee' date=' no matter how hard the gaurantor tries.

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still doesn't make it right. it's not likely to happen. it's like saying that if you changed the groupset, the frame wouldn't be covered. that's silly.

Provide an alternative if you don't like it.

 

no. it's up to you to come up with something more apposite.

You may not like my advice' date=' but don't trash it because you're uncertain of a possible outcome of an unlikely scenario.

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i didn't trash it at all. if we follow your advice - and face an "unlikely scenario" - we carry all the risk. er, thanks, but no. you are so sceptical of the manufacturer's warning, yet get so offended when someone balks at your advice. that's pretty arrogant.

If you follow my advice and modify your frame's cable stops within the confines of common sense and according to the method I described in my recommendation without botching the job and' date=' your frame breaks as a result of that modification, I'll buy you a new frame.

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so you're backing off your earlier assertion about what an assessor may say? this is what i was concerned about. holy roller2009-06-24 03:52:03

[AndreZA]

still doesn't make it right. it's not likely to happen. it's like saying that if you changed the groupset' date=' the frame wouldn't be covered. that's silly.[/quote']

 

 

 

The weird thing is that some manufacturers state, and has been brought up here a few times, that if a bike is altered from it's original state it is not covered.

 

 

 

This is take from the gorilla brand's site.

 

"This warranty does not apply where a Silverback bicycle has been modified in any way from its original specifications"

 

 

 

 

 

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[NotSoBigBen]

Johan I did not read all the hoo-haa but in my opinion drilling in that area of the frame is just stooopid !

 

Now welding on the other hand is good

[Tumbleweed]

still doesn't make it right. it's not likely to happen. it's like saying that if you changed the groupset' date=' the frame wouldn't be covered. that's silly.[/quote']

The weird thing is that some manufacturers state, and has been brought up here a few times, that if a bike is altered from it's original state it is not covered.

This is take from the gorilla brand's site.
"This warranty does not apply where a Silverback bicycle has been modified in any way from its original specifications"


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interesting, have you got the rest of the warranty?

[AndreZA]

interesting' date=' have you got the rest of the warranty?[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.silverbacklab.com/warrant.htm

[Ghostface]

swop your grips and the warrentee is gone?

[Tumbleweed]

interesting' date=' have you got the rest of the warranty?[/quote']


http://www.silverbacklab.com/warrant.htm[/quote]

 

thanks, mate. so if you painted it pink, they wouldn't replace the gearbox?

[Jules]

I've solved this problem without drilling/filing my stops.

 

 

 

I run open cable on the top tube, which doesn't see much mud and dirt anyway. Then from the top tube to the derailer I run continuous cable housing. It just takes two cable ties to hold the cable to the seat stay. It works neatly and there is no drilling or filing required.