Dont repair your frame

[TNT1]

 

 

I would however like to add a caveat to all local cyclists. Be very very carefull to speak to well informed' date=' if not qualified people before submitting to information about subjects that you know little or nothing about.

 

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Um, who died and made you god of the internet?

 

[Minion]

 

 

I would however like to add a caveat to all local cyclists. Be very very carefull to speak to well informed' date=' if not qualified people before submitting to information about subjects that you know little or nothing about.

 

[/quote']

 

Um, who died and made you god of the internet?

I think he was talking about the guy who 'welded' his frame.

 

[splat]

 

I would however like to add a caveat to all local cyclists. Be very very carefull to speak to well informed' date=' if not qualified people before submitting to information about subjects that you know little or nothing about.

 

[/quote']

Um, who died and made you god of the internet?

 

  

Did you think your position was threatened?

[INDABUSCHE]

Well said Splat........

[TNT1]

Nah, part of being a god of the interwebs is never feeling threatened

[dollar]

One thing - I am far more frightened of my carbon forks than I am of my welded aluminium frame

[Johan Bornman]

 

I would however like to add a caveat to all local cyclists. Be very very carefull to speak to well informed' date=' if not qualified people before submitting to information about subjects that you know little or nothing about.

 

[/quote']

Um, who died and made you god of the internet?

 

Even by your standards that was pretty nasty.  Be nice.

[TNT1]

Sorry Oom JB.

[tarquilla6006]

My my, I seem to have caused a bit of a stir!!!!

 

I am not refering to anybody but the idiot who conned me into letting him " FIX" the frame of my bicycle.

 

I think that you completely misunderstand what i meant. 

 

To explain ---- I will not go ahead and blindly listen to people that profess to have knowledge without doing some investigation before i act.

 

The frame of the bicycle that JB describes in his post is mine and the full story is as follows.

 

I reversed my Land Rover over my GIANT TCR 0 Compact Road bicycle. Land Rover 1 --- GIANT 0.

 

I then, on referral took the frame to a person that was supposed to be an expert to have the dent and crack repaired. He explained that the welding had to be done by some expert and that the frame heat treated to relieve the stresses that occur during the welding.

 

When i recieved the frame back it looked great, with no sign of repair and a good paint job. About two weeks later, after a ride i noticed that there was a crack where the repair had been done and after some investigation noticed that instead of repairing the damage, there was a great big blob of body putty stuck to the frame.

 

I proceeded to remove the body putty to find that nothing had been repaired and that the original crack had propogated almost half way around the frame. I was really angry because the frame could have failed catastrophically causing me injury. I then found out after speaking to JB that I was not the only fool to have been conned by this person.

 

I was not going to persue the matter but after hearing that somebody els has suffered the same problem, i now intend confronting this person.

 

As far as the caveat thing goes I was referring to my own stupidity and not that of anybody on the planet or for that matter the known universe.

 

I hope that i have clarified this matter a bit and you can all look forward to hearing about what happened after i have spoken to the so called "frame fixer"

[kosmonooit]

 

So the issue here is not a welded frame that has failed, its a psuedo repair job / respray done by someone who either did not understand the issue or who took the job as to make it look nice? ?

Welding aluminium is almost an art, and if done properly and professionally I dont see any reason why it shouldnt be trusted. The heat treatment that follows would be to relieve stresses induced but localised heating, not to heat treat or temper the metal as one does carbon steel, (which changes its properties).

But a crack might be a symptom of metal fatique, which suggests poor design or alloy? Thinks demise of the Comet....?

kosmonooit2009-12-07 10:33:55

[Jules]

My my' date=' I seem to have caused a bit of a stir!!!!

 

?

 

I am not refering to anybody but the idiot who conned me into letting him " FIX" the frame of my bicycle.

 

?

 

I?think that you completely misunderstand what i meant.?

 

?

 

To explain ---- I will not go ahead and blindly listen to people that profess to have knowledge without doing some investigation before i act.

 

?

 

The frame of the bicycle that JB describes in his post is mine and the full story is as follows.

 

?

 

I reversed my Land Rover over my GIANT TCR 0 Compact Road bicycle. Land Rover 1 --- GIANT 0.

 

?

 

I then, on referral took the frame to a person that was supposed to be an expert to?have the?dent and crack repaired. He explained that the welding had to be done by some expert and that the frame heat treated to relieve the stresses that occur during the welding.

 

?

 

When i recieved the frame back it looked great, with no sign of repair and a good paint job. About two weeks later, after a ride i noticed that there was a crack where the repair had been done and after some investigation noticed that instead of repairing the damage, there was a great big blob of body putty stuck to the frame.

 

?

 

I proceeded to remove the body putty to find that nothing had been repaired and that the original crack had propogated almost half way around the frame. I was really angry because the frame could have failed catastrophically causing me injury. I then found out after speaking to JB that I was not the only fool to have been conned by this person.

 

?

 

I was not going to persue the matter but after hearing that somebody els has suffered the same problem, i now intend confronting this person.

 

?

 

As far as the caveat thing goes I was referring to my own stupidity and not that of anybody on the planet or for that matter the known universe.

 

?

 

I hope that i have clarified this matter a bit and you can all look forward to hearing about what happened after i have spoken to the so called "frame fixer"

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WTF? How much were you charged for this fraud? Accost him first and if you're not given a satisfactory reply/full refund, name and shame the bugger.

 

 

[IanJ]

Just to set the record straight, I was involved in the Marin incident (JB I presume we are talking about the same one).

When we stripped the frame for painting we noticed a crack and discussed it with the painter before sending it to him. All he said was that he could try to drill holes to stop the crack spreading and he would fill the crack with putty. He never once mentioned welding or attempting to repair the frame and no welding was done.

 

We got the painted frame back and within a few months the crack reappeared and started spreading. We also noticed cracks starting to appear in other places on the frame. After consulting with JB we have stopped using the frame.

 

I do not believe that we were misled in any way by the painter he made no claims which could be disputed.

 

[tarquilla6006]

I am vey happy to hear that there were no claims made to you, however that was not the case with me and the person in question went to great lengths to tell me how his friend at SAA was going to heat treat the aluminium to de stress it after the repair.

 

Perhaps he has realised that this type of work cannot be done. I think that he should just tell people that the damage is to great and that he cannot fix it!!

 

Honesty work for me....

[Johan Bornman]

Just to set the record straight' date=' I was involved in the Marin incident (JB I presume we are talking about the same one).

When we stripped the frame for painting we noticed a crack and discussed it with the painter before sending it to him. All he said was that he could try to drill holes to stop the crack spreading and he would fill the crack with putty. He never once mentioned welding or attempting to repair the frame and no welding was done.

 

We got the painted frame back and within a few months the crack reappeared and started spreading. We also noticed cracks starting to appear in other places on the frame. After consulting with JB we have stopped using the frame.

 

I do not believe that we were misled in any way by the painter he made no claims which could be disputed.

 

[/quote']

 

Fair enough Ian.

 

My view on the issue is he should have advised differently. That is a high stress area and the metal is thin.  Had it been my bike I'd have regretted the money spent on the paint job.

 

Edit: Or, in hindsight I think he could also have suggested that he first do the drilling and see how it goes before doing a paintjob that would be rendered useless by the perpetuating crack.

 

 

 

Johan Bornman2009-12-07 11:58:15

[SwissVan]

I am vey happy to hear that there were no claims made to you' date=' however that was not the case with me and the person in question went to great lengths to tell me how his friend at SAA was going to heat treat the aluminium to de stress it after the repair.

 

Perhaps he has realised that this type of work cannot be done. I think that he should just tell people that the damage is to great and that he cannot fix it!!

 

Honesty work for me....

[/quote']

 

I think you should name and shame, as JB mentioned earlier what this "painter" did is dangerous and people need to know who they can and cannot trust.

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