lawyers letter sentto cradle residents

[GoLefty!!]

SOLUTION 1:

 

 

the cradle is a national heritage site right? and the roads leading in an dout of it need to be upgraded to meet the demands of traffic in the area right?

 

So why not lobby to regional government to make the road in and out a toll road for all road users, huh?

 

 

Now couple this to Club membership number, CSA license number etc and veil of anonymity is lifted form those transgressors who hide amongst the righteous and the just.

No ID, no admittance.

Trust me, all cyclist cary a medical aid card, or something with their name on it.

 

Farm workers:

Easy to solve. Farmers workers register with their farmers and they recieve a Cradle Pass,  renewed annually.

 

Now theres admin from both sides, much less anonymity, the cheapsakes who don;t want to pay R20 for passing through and contributing to the upgrade of the road won't bother coming through.

the Cradle gets its road,

the cyclist get their wider cycle lane where they can ride 2 abreast.

 

Everybody wins, sings, and drinks coffee together.

 

 

Now FFS stop bickering

[zeepee]

Farm workers:

Easy to solve. Farmers workers register with their farmers and they recieve a Cradle Pass,  renewed annually

 

jeesh dude, as if there is not enough k@k in this area you want to re-instate the pass system?

cant wait to hear what julias malema will have to say about that

[GoLefty!!]

pass, license, whatever

[linnega]

GoLefty, similar system has been implemented to ride the cane in Durban area (Hillcrest/Shongweni and Ballito/Tongaat).  A license number board and card is required at all times at an annual fee.  Difference here is that Tongaat-Huletts own the land that was being ridden on and opened it previously for gratis, but that was abused.  Here we have a group of affected residents that have no particular right to the land the question as it is owned by either the national roads agency or provincial dept of transport.  I don't see the state allowing a group of residents proxy to administer who has access to the Cradle area.

[Il Bufalo]

I am a cyclist that enjoys riding on and off road. I have been banging on for years that cyclist are their own worst enemies. It is time for the CSA to manage the clubs as well as the local mags to promote responsible cycling. This issue is a result of years of abuse from both side. It is never one thing but an accumulation of issues.

 

 

 

We as cyclist need to take the initiative and change before we demand change from others. You earn respect by giving respect! Do it now before we lose all our favourite rides, and MTB'er that same applies! The old folks walking their dogs have as much right to be on the trail as you do, be nice slow down and greet them!

[mr ples]

Mark you just put your foot in it.

 

 

 

I refer to your posting under the topic, the cradle route, and my response below thereto.

 

 

 

- You refer to my remarks as childish, and I don't read properly

 

- You admit now to carrying out an illegal action, riding two abreast, not in a cycle lane

 

- The motorist users the one tool available 'a hooter' to warn you of your dangerous and illegal action, and you now turn this into a show of aggression.

 

- You create an impression that the motorist was driving at high speed, you mention 80km/h, just how you determine this is questionable.

 

- you expect a motorist to apologise because you were in the wrong

 

- Your lawyers letter refers to you and 2 others cyclists being extremely experienced and competent , cycling in a safe manner, yet you now admit it was illegal.

 

- You now distribute a very misleading so called lawyer's letter and post a topic for all to read, naming the motorist and creating totally false impressions. You have lead many people up the garden path. You owe everyone an apology.

 

- You spread rumors of a road blockage, and still refuse to name your source. My advice - check the source sir!

 

 

 

I will call for a postponement of the planned meeting on the 20th Jan, and ask that the Cradle Community be informed of the facts and figures, and convene a series of local meetings to discuss the way forward.

 

 

 

I rest my case.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Trevor

 

 

[quinton]

What is really sad is that I enjoyed training around the area as it is just down the road from me... now I am almost sure the ones causing most of the headaches there don't even live in the area and don't have to be faced with these residents up in arms on a regular basis....

 

Wondering how safe it will be to continue training out there by myself or these guys more upset with the big bunches been a problem??

 

 

[epoh]

*yawn*

 

[Guest Agteros]

The way I read it is that one vehicle (pedal cycle) was overtaking another vehicle (pedal cycle) and then that another vehicle (motor vehicle) was too impatient to wait its turn to overtake the slower moving vehicles (pedal cycles) where one was overtaking the other, and then 'buzzed' the pedal cycles (vehicles) and overtook them on a dangerous and illegal section of the road (a rise)...

 

 

 

[Danger Dassie]

I've driven and ridden along that road many a time, there are no blind rises and a number of sections where there is a shoulder.

 

If indeed the guys were illegally riding two abreast in a v formation, there would still be ample room to pass safely. That is if one were driving at the legal limit.

 

Despite the arguments back and forth between the guys, one action does not justify another.

 

 

 

As we can see from this thread and the other, the whole thing has become a brak vry.

[GoLefty!!]

 

GoLefty' date=' similar system has been implemented to ride the cane in Durban area (Hillcrest/Shongweni and Ballito/Tongaat).  A license number board and card is required at all times at an annual fee.  Difference here is that Tongaat-Huletts own the land that was being ridden on and opened it previously for gratis, but that was abused.  Here we have a group of affected residents that have no particular right to the land the question as it is owned by either the national roads agency or provincial dept of transport.  I don't see the state allowing a group of residents proxy to administer who has access to the Cradle area.[/quote']

 

 

Ah yes thanks Linnega, I did forget to mention that the Cradle residents should also pay a annual fee for the toll facility.

Now everyone has to pay to drive/ride/skip on one leg while bashing the halves of a calabash together through the Cradle.

 

its only fair, if the residents want regulation of public roads access through their area then they either pay more rates to sustain the toll road, or they should pay a toll each they use the road as other roads users do.

 

Clearly the road through the Cradle is not regarded as a national treasure or it would have been upgraded already. National treasures like Chapmans Peak are wonderful for one and all to use. Well maintained, low speed limits and largely there is tolerance given to all users of the road.

 

Mark, suggest you not admit anything to this Mr Pes. he will clearly use anything you say against you.... and thats not a good way to start diplomacy which he would so dearly have us believe he is interested in.

 

[Guest Big H]

Lefty...... ekke liaak jou spelfout hierbo (sic) ..... Mr Pes!!!!!!!! Presies wat hy is...... sy voorsate het seker tydens die groot pes ook gevrek!!!!!!!!! Big H2010-01-18 17:22:19

[FrancoisC]

Perhaps another solution:

Maybe these two wheel cowboys should go ride another well recognised cycle route in the south of Jhb called "The Lido Route"and try to make *** there like they do in the cradle...

Let a few of the old school hard-nuts on steel, down tube shifter bikes  sort them out!

Dan sal die proverbial *** spat!

 

[AfreekduSoet]

this letter of discrimination must be tabled as the first item on the agenda

Requesting someone to adhere to the law and avoid possible horrific accident is discrimination?

Furthermore' date=' many residents have been assaulted by Cyclists, we have many such SAPS case numbers on file. [/quote']

Really?  Table it.

 

Your in appropriate actions will now turn every Resident into a policeman.

Great' date=' maybe they'll start enforcing the law by firstly sticking to it themselves.

 

Guess you taking the pleasure out of riding in the Cradle area

There is absolutely no pleasure in gripping your handlebars and waiting for impact... been there, done that, got the broken back to prove it.

 

 

[IanJ]

At one of the recent ongoing meetings between the cycling fraternity and Cradle Residents it was agreed that a letter would be posted on the Hub claryfing the issue of the lawyers letter mentioned in this thread.

 

Below is the text of that letter written by the Charman of CGC Giovanni Mottalini.

 

Please note that the participants at the meetings had agreed not to post matters on the Hub as it usually leads to more arguments and inflames the situation even more. I can report back that at the meeting held last week we do seem to be making progress and with the participation of all the parties involved including representatives from cycling clubs, residents, CGC and Mogale Public Safety we are confident that we can move forward.

 

One of the biggest problems identified is the condition of the widened road, this is being addressed as a matter of urgency with Provincial Authorities.

 

Letter from CGC:

 

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As I am sure that you are all aware, the Cradle Area has been designated a cycling friendly area specifically to promote cycling on the route. However the use of the roads has to based on good road riding ethic. As a member of a CGC affiliated club, members are made aware of the Cycling Code of Conduct and club rides are held accordingly. Noncompliance by riders on the route just brings negative criticism to our sport. As a cyclist we are obligated to abide by the rules of the road as any other road user, cycling does not exempt us.

 

There was an incident earlier this year on the Cradle Route which was highly emotive and generated a thread on the HubSA and a lawyer?s letter was posted as well. The letter was related to a specific incident and referred to the residents of the Cradle area, at a recent meeting regarding the letter in question it was agreed to remove the reference to the residents, the letter however, has not been withdrawn.

 

This past weekend saw the beginning of a CGC awareness campaign which is to be run across our province and will require specific clubs to manage similar events in their areas. We really do need to ensure the correct use of our roads by our cyclists and I believe that if we are seen to be making an effort motorists may do their bit.

 

CGC have got the support of the authorities to assist in improving legislation with regard to cycling and in so doing try to align ourselves with cycling across the Global Village.

 

To all our members we call upon you to assist CGC and your clubs in getting the message of safe cycling to all cyclists that are not affiliated, when out on our roads.

 

We welcome all constructive input and should you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact our office, thanks.

 

 

Yours in safe cycling

 

 

Giovanni Mottalini     

(Chairman)

[Andyr249]

Thanks for posting that IanJ. But probably the greatest number of "offenders" are not part of clubs or on the Hub. What plans are being made to educate those riders?