CSA (Austin's) regulations 2011

[darkhorse]

Has anyone made head or tails of these new dumb ass road race regulations for 2011?

 

I wish CSA (the Austin's) would rather take SA's top riders to live and train overseas so that they can improve from there and stop screwing with the local racing . Robbie, John-Lee, Daryl they did not pick up thier game to international level by racing in SA. No matter what Barry Austin says, these new regulations are not going to improve local racing. I have already heard about concerns of sponsors of the ladies pro teams, that they will not be getting any value for money anymore because the women will be lost in a mass of men, no TV coverage. Bye sponsors!

 

These rules are mostly messing around race organisers. I wish the big national event organisers will tell CSA to p-off and race under UCI regulations. I am sure the Argus and 94.7 are going to do so.

 

Lets hear some comments?

[dirtrider]

CSA thinks they are doing everything right !! Everybody are buying license after all ??

[onetrackmind]

Comment:

 

Tell me what they are doing wrong ("everything" is not an answer), in your opinion.

 

Then, we can possibly discuss rather than trashing the hard-working Austins.

[Willehond]

Sounds like a personal attack on "The Austins". Why the anonymous sledging? Rather stick to the facts and tell us what irks you

 

....and breathe. Slowly.

[jmaccelari]

Another uninformed rant by an ignoramus!

 

Popcorn time!!!

[SwissVan]

 

Has anyone made head or tails of these new dumb ass road race regulations for 2011?

 

Lets hear some comments?

 

 

Let me join the comment gallery.

 

Specificaly which dumb ass 2011 road race regulations are you refering to?

[onetrackmind]

Another uninformed rant by an ignoramus!

 

Popcorn time!!!

Not the first time DarkDonkey has shot his/her mouth off here, I doubt there will be a follow up this time either. That is not the way of the coward.

[Owen]

I think the new structure will have it's benefits as well as it's short comings. It's a long term plan, which will improve the quality of riders and racing. Yeah for sure, some riders who can't hack it at the front of the race will be down graded. This will also improve the overall speed of a race. Riders of simular seeding index, regardless of age are grouped together. Someone told me a simular system is working in the USA and UK.

 

I also see the negative side of this as well. Many riders from outside of Gauteng will be at a slight disadvantage because of current seeding. Exposure for sponsors, .......might be a small problem for the smaller pro or club teams, who do not have a tv station sponsor. There are other means of improving your return on investment, besides tv.

 

One thing for sure, racing is gonna be flat out. Cat 1 with all the kids (jnr's) playing with pro teams.........lots of crashes. Racing is going to exciting.

[mallo]

Darkhorse who are you aligned with and are you speaking for yourself or on behalf of someone else. The new rules is what CSA needs to get cycling growing only issue is will the rules apply to all.Why did you not object to these changes in October already I cannot find any comment by you (positive or negative)anywhere here on the hub and we all knowhow this topic has been beaten around here.

TV coverage in SA is minimal hence the sponsors don't factor that in the women's sponsorship program.

 

The Austins like Hendrik Lemmer in their own way have made some changes to improve cycling already.(running of the office one big improvement)

 

Hendrik has done a good job for road cycling over the past few years even though we do not agree with all his doings the overall improvement for road cycling esp SA's has proven this point

 

What are you doing to improve the plight CSA. Please tell what you have contributed already as we surely don't know until you enlighten us.

[nielvn]

Comment:

 

Tell me what they are doing wrong ("everything" is not an answer), in your opinion.

 

Then, we can possibly discuss rather than trashing the hard-working Austins.

 

 

Ha ha Ha..... the question actually is what has CSA done for the the majority, which the bulk of the fees??? I will tell you, taken unconsulted decisions which influences us. I will NOT support them any longer, but support any event which is not done under their rules and regulations, but again that is just me.

[Mammabear]

I think the new structure will have it's benefits as well as it's short comings. It's a long term plan, which will improve the quality of riders and racing. Yeah for sure, some riders who can't hack it at the front of the race will be down graded. This will also improve the overall speed of a race. Riders of simular seeding index, regardless of age are grouped together. Someone told me a simular system is working in the USA and UK.

 

I also see the negative side of this as well. Many riders from outside of Gauteng will be at a slight disadvantage because of current seeding. Exposure for sponsors, .......might be a small problem for the smaller pro or club teams, who do not have a tv station sponsor. There are other means of improving your return on investment, besides tv.

 

One thing for sure, racing is gonna be flat out. Cat 1 with all the kids (jnr's) playing with pro teams.........lots of crashes. Racing is going to exciting.

 

 

I take exception to your final comment. I trust you are speaking from from experience and not merely heresay or an assumption. Have you ever ridden against the Juniors? Please enlighten me as to what races you have raced with the Juniors and we can analyse these individually. There have been far more crashes in the Elite categories of races than there have been in the Junior categories in 2010. For a fact I can tell you that there have been far more "wobbley wheels" in the Elite category of races in 2010 than there have been in the Junior Category. For a fact consider the races where the Juniors have ridden with the Elites and analyse then who has caused the crashes. Take the Wilro Cycle Challenge as one example which springs to mind!! Lets have this same conversation at the end on 2011. I hope you will be out their taking note as I sure will be.

[kevind]

MMMMmmm... this is a topic that could get many different interpretations and opinions...

 

The regulations will make racing much harder and improve cycling. But! its going to make access to racing for individuals a bit impossible in the Cat 1 bunch.

 

Also, I have heard from one of the ladies Pro teams that they are worried about thier sponsorships because ladies racing will no longer exist with the new regulations. Ladies will be racing against men for cat 2 placings and there will be no age categories for the ladies over age of 30. In my opinion this regulations are beneficial to the guys and not for the gals. It will no doubt make the ladies race harder but it will not be a ladies against ladies race. It will be one who hangs onto a guys wheel the longest who beats the other ladies.

 

Also, the vet men 50+ what will happen to thier racing. These guys are also very competitive and now they going to have to race agaist younger riders and not rider of thier own age.

 

In the early 90's there was a similar system in place where there was A,B and C category racing. Its did not work and was canned after 6 months.

 

I would love to hear what race organisers have to say about the new regulations and how it affects them.

[mallo]

This is what we need in SA racing to improve the standard overall.

 

No individuals allowed to race in licensed categories only licensed teams.

 

Ladies racing will be done on a "two in one event" at all times- Top ten overall get payments then the ladies only payments for top 6 places within the same race, TV coverage normally been around a few minutes for ladies so their sponsors cannot really use that as an excuse to withdraw.

 

Category racing is based on ability so why worry about age ( top 800-1000) licensed riders men and women taken care off, so where is the problem then, rest continue as per normal A -H bunches.

 

What is of interest is how the race organizers handle their side of things and the distances they will cater for?

[kevind]

This is what we need in SA racing to improve the standard overall.

 

No individuals allowed to race in licensed categories only licensed teams.

 

Ladies racing will be done on a "two in one event" at all times- Top ten overall get payments then the ladies only payments for top 6 places within the same race, TV coverage normally been around a few minutes for ladies so their sponsors cannot really use that as an excuse to withdraw.

 

Category racing is based on ability so why worry about age ( top 800-1000) licensed riders men and women taken care off, so where is the problem then, rest continue as per normal A -H bunches.

 

What is of interest is how the race organizers handle their side of things and the distances they will cater for?

 

Hi Mallo,

 

Are you involved in CSA? Mayeb you can answer these questions as well...

 

Will the Cat 1, 2 and 3 be only full racing license holders or will this include the R75 guys?

 

Also will the bunches be limited by a riders ceeding index. ie. Cat 2 rider ceeded under eg 25? Cat 3 riders ceeded over 25

 

Cheers

[kevind]

For all those wondering... these are the new rules

 

http://www.cyclingsa.com/App_Resources/Uploads/FILE00000154.pdf

[mallo]

Not involved in CSA but keeping abreast due to cycling involvement of riders

 

Categories only for licensed riders and seeding from cat (2 -4) from 0.1 to next 800-1000 positions. R75-00 riders will play in open bunches