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Edition 507

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  1. Thanks GrahamS2, this pretty much supports what I have been saying.
  2. I'm rallying against the untruths of veganism. 1. It is not unethical to eat meat. 2. Veganism is not healthy. 3. Veganism is not better for the environment. These are the three pillars supporting the vegan argument. They are myths. My basic argument is that the massive human population explosion is the root cause of all the problems we are facing today, and not the fact that we eat meat.
  3. I'm not convinced that being vegan is any way more 'green' that meat eaters. The low calorie content of vegan food necessitates them to eat far more of it than regular meat eaters. This means far more of their foodstuffs need to be grown. So vegans need many more extra fields to grow their crops. On the other hand, these extra fields could be used to raise cows, a far more efficient source of calories, not to mention the benefits of the other by-products. For the past 4 decades or so a number of major diseases have been squarely attributed to meat and dairy product consumption. This has been found to be not true, hence Prof. Noakes' diet, Banting and even the new carnivore diet. I can't see how meat has been made aspirational, on the contrary, the health industry has demonized meat. Of course corporate greed does encourage efficiency to a degree, but I would suggest that globalism is by far a bigger factor at play. Efficiency is not going to drive demand whereas the more than doubling of the human population in the past 5 decades certainly will.
  4. I don't think diet choice is the fundamental cause of the increased meat consumption. I think it is more subtle than a conscious bias towards meat consumption. It does not say which country this demand for meat was measured, but let's say it was the USA. Firstly, per capita income in America has risen tremendously since the 60's. So more money to spend on meat. Secondly, the availability of food has just become overwhelming over this time period as well. Fast Food and Take Outs are just everywhere, you can eat 24x7 if you want to, hence the severe obesity problem in America. So combine increased affluence and the availability of food and basically Americans are simply just eating themselves to death. Anyway, if you take 40kg of meat per person per year it works out to be roughly 100g a day. 100g of protein per day is pretty close to Recommended Daily Allowance for most people, so it is certainly not excessive. In 1960 there were about 3 billion people on our planet and in 2013 there were 7 billion. Considering increased affluence, increased overall food consumption and the human population explosion over the past decades, it is no wonder that there is a increased demand for meat, but this is true for all other foodstuffs as well, a prime example being palm oil. All this results in the catastrophic destruction of our planets natural resources.
  5. Factory farming is not a result of our diet choice. It is purely a result of the exponential human population growth which is sadly a result of our evolutionary success. Exponential population growth requires an equivalent exponential food production. This is driving factory farming, this is driving deforestation and natural habitat destruction to make place for large scale industrial farming. This is driving increasing pesticide use and the development of GMO’s. This is driving the need to yield the most food possible from the least resources possible at the least risk possible at the cheapest price possible. This cannot be done with traditional farming and natural food production methods. It cannot be done morally or ethically. It cannot be done in a humane, sustainable, green and organic manner. It cannot be done without driving the food price beyond the means of billions of poor and poverty stricken people. It cannot be done without large scale human starvation and suffering. So we are facing a moral dilemma, be nice to animals or be nice to humans?
  6. In this era of our existence I agree wholeheartedly.
  7. When I say veganism is unnatural it is from a dietary perspective. We are omnivores not herbivores. Being a herbivore (only eating plant material) for a human is as unnatural as a lion being a herbivore or a cow being an carnivore. It is not their natural diet, they would die. Humans have evolved eating meat, and have actually evolved because we ate meat. Our evolutionary success has primarily been attributed to an ancestral diet change to include meat. Consuming highly nutritious and calorie dense meat is what fuelled our rapid evolutionary development compared to our primate cousins. If we had continued to munch on bananas we would still be apes swinging in trees. What this evolution means is that the consumption of meat has become a vital prerequisite for optimum health and development which makes it understandable that a diet excluding meat is nutritionally deficient for our needs, resulting in malnutrition. So veganism is essentially self-imposed malnourishment. We all know that malnutrition results in stunted physical and mental development and dulls physical and mental prowess. I put it to you that veganism is unnatural as it is based purely on an ideological or ethical principle that goes against our natural development and the path that brought us to our current state of human existence.
  8. It is unnatural.
  9. So glad that you concede veganism is a completely unnatural and is really only a personal ideology. Essentially plants don't like being eaten just as much as animals don't like being eaten, but unfortunately plants are at the bottom of the food chain while humans are essentially at the top of the food chain. Funnily enough, at the top of the food chain are your predators and meat eaters. Oh wait, there is nothing funny about this, humans are actually predators and meat eaters. We are not herbivores, we are supposed to eat meat, in fact plants are a largely toxic and a completely inadequate food source for humans. So, as a natural meat eater you may feel you stand on a higher ground morally and ethically by being a vegan and that is your choice, I have nothing against it, every person has their own personal level of morality, but what I can say is that veganism has absolutely zero health benefits and is actually a very unhealthy, nutrient deficient and largely poor diet. I kinda also feel that veganism is pretty much like a religion/cult where the ‘converts’ to veganism fall into this ethical belief system, where they are morally and ethically ‘right’ and everyone else is therefore ‘wrong’ and need to be enlightened on our evil and immoral ways. Have you ever noticed that when you meet a vegan, what’s the first thing they tell you? “I’m a vegan”. It's not a dietary statement, it is a moral statement. There is nothing healthy about veganism like there is nothing healthy about the Kenneth Copeland or the Ku Klux Klan.
  10. Absolutely, I agree with you 100%. The problem with a vegan diet is that it is advocated and adopted from a moral and ethical perspective.
  11. Reader's Digest version is #MeatHeals
  12. Plants don't like being eaten part 2:
  13. Plants actually don't like being eaten
  14. As an fervent Jordan Peterson fan, I found this video very interesting. This might cause some controversy with regards to the health aspect of veganism.
  15. I've been thinking about you and that you haven't posted in a while. Sorry to hear about what you have been through the past couple of months. Wishing you all the strength to get through this tough time.
  16. Placbeo once again, but performing live with the man himself!
  17. Placebo again, better than the Pixies?
  18. I think you will have to be a Placebo fan to enjoy this cover, although it does not quite eclipse the original.
  19. Nice one bra! Now you should aim for a triple loop. There are only 14 people on Strava that have done a triple, so get in before the rush
  20. Been to SBR a few times recently and was surprised at the amount of riders and cars going in the opposite direction. From what I could see it was not due to a disregard of the rules, but rather due to a rescue mission for riders that hopelessly under estimated their fitness,or how tough SBR really is, or maybe both. Was there this Saturday and saw at least 3 ladies that were considerably larger than the recommended BMI, and they were broken, and I was thinking "What were they thinking coming to SBR to ride?". Someone lied to them about something!
  21. Nice bikes, just don't sit on the f*cking top tube OK!
  22. My Lurcher after single speeding JUMA 2018
  23. Turning grunge into heavy metal.....and the chicks are hotter!
  24. I can imagine this pumping in a club would sound pretty cool!
  25. Just love this rendition of 'Message in a bottle'
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