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That's the spirit. We are all at different stages of learning to be better riders. Why would some people object to riding a steep line with jumps and berms? Well, it's probably lack of skill, and an ego that won't allow open friendliness to join a group of better riders who will help move things forward. The ego is the killer of all great things. That's why the Troll had to try and belittle me by saying that he's been on this forum longer, and that I'm a school boy. I wish I was a school boy still...on so many levels!

I thought you were not going to help out on the trails? Let's not feed this troll anymore. http://policelink.monster.com/nfs/policelink/product_photos/0000/6031/Troll_Spary_max192w.JPG?1202766315

I've a couple of friends who faceplanted. One had to have reconstructive surgery and most of his teeth re-done. The cost was staggering. Surely these people see these drainage culverts on the way up. One should bear caution on the way back. If you're not prepared to fall, then choose another option. There are certain trails that I won't be able to ride properly without a full face helmet, armour and proper gloves and wrist guards. How can you commit to certain things when you know the outcome could be devastating?

Ive never understood the logic of a rider going 50+ k's an hour down a dirt road with a little poly helmet on his head. The outcome can only be severe if there's a fall. Full face helmets are for everyone. Your face can cost a LOT to fix.

David is a troll. lets just ignore him from here on people.

dude, nobody cares what year your shifters are. or what frame you have.

indeed: http://www.kinesis.com.tw/frames/a636-2012.php

oh, and regarding being 110kg. I very much doubt you'll blow out a shock. If you set it up correctly, with the proper amount of sag, I'd reckon you'd break the frame before the shock. They're designed to use high pressure.

Coil shocks feel great. They have a linear compression and ramp up really predictably. Just make sure you have a decent piggy back system. Weight, yes they can be heavier, but if the new Cane Creek Ti coil is anything to go by, I think in the years to come we'll see more coils on AM bikes. Trail bike I think it's overkill tbh. A decent large air volume shock is more than fine, and highly tweakable. That said, once you go coil, it's hard to look back.

I think a rider at this level will be able to win on any brands top spec bike. It's misleading for a beginner to think they need a certain brand because people are winning races on their bikes. You need to find a bike that suits the kind of riding you want to do, as well as fits your body. Before shelling out, try to go on a demo day and ride as many brands as you can. ...And this is the proof that a great rider will be able to win on just about any old thing.

That's a killer colour Wes. I'd go for that. It's the same colour as the Meta 6 AFAIK?

Flame away man, I think it's got something to do with the topic. The OP was hugely impulsive, didn't even check a R30k purchase for flaws etc. If it's so easy to drop that kind of cash, then why not buy the kid a nice bike? 5 grand with all the accessories is hardly a nice bike at all. Flame away though, I give rocks.

You are entitled to get your money back, in theory, and by the CPA rules too...but ...I have three points here: 1 - why didn't you inspect the bike properly when you took delivery of it? I normally go through every single inch of a new bike when I purchase, and I'd call them on things like damaged hex nuts, scratches etc. If there's a scratch on my bike, I would like to make it thanks. 2 - this part boggles me, so you drop 45k on two bikes, the last a seemingly impulsive purchase, since you didn't care to check a thing before you walk out, and then....you only buy your son a 5 grand bike??? I'm sorry but I'd be p!ssed if my old man treated himself like that and threw me a few scraps. When you have a roast at home do you take all the best cuts and give your son the scraps too? It should be the other way around, and for my kid I'd be ashamed to not get him a decent steed considering what I like to ride. 3 - Nothing wrong with SLX. It's not what you paid for, but it's easy come easy go it seems for you. I also find it poor form to go public and rant on this shop before it's been resolved. They're not sitting there every day thinking about just you dude. They likely have to deal with agents, get parts shipped etc. It's probably not even their fault that the bike was the wrong spec. Who knows how many ways that could happen. Next time you'll be more careful.

That's the key here. With momentum there's no need to have the back wheel grip the bridge to drive the bike forward. With the right speed it should be easy to roll over this. It does depend on the lead up to the bridge though and if one can get that speed up.

That bridge is easy to cross. If you're going so slowly over it that you need to dab your foot you can easily do that on this too. Chickenwire defeats the simplicity of this kind of structure. Rather, if you feel you can't make it, walk your bike over it. This bridge just needs a little bit of speed, not too much, be in a nice low gear, pedal as you cross, keep your eye on the exit poitn ie don't look down, and commit. easy

He said he has to take into consideration that livestock are around. The slats need to have gaps so they can't try and cross the bridges. Beginners need to learn the hard way about momentum and commitment. Life's not always fair.

hey man, work always comes first. It's important. Good luck and study hard dude. Let's try organise a full day with a full spade wielding posse...with beer & braai afterwards. It's all about sharing our favourite pastime with like minded people.

Let's not get heated guys. David's made a couple of points, and if he doesn't want to help so be it. Moving riiiight along...since my %#^%$*%^%& flu is still not 100% gone, I'd like to do some trail work if there's any happening this weekend. I just need to get the hell out of the house and if I ride I'll be back to square one again. Is this flu worse this winter or what? I'm going mad here. I even decided to have my forks and shock rebuilt I've been down so long. Now theyre back even

hmm, it's top shelf compared to Groenkloof. Tokai is vastly superior.

There's something for everyone at Tokai. Come ride!

YEAH!! Awesome bridge. I'd be more than happy to cross that. No problems. Great idea and the more wattle you can destroy the better.

Great idea. I'm hoping this is on the cards. With the increased traffic at Tokai it makes sense to open up the area. PorS?

No, I disagree wholehearted with your view. Read my previous post. It's not all about going down singletracks. Shees, the OP of this thread has really opened a can of worms here. No, it will RUIN Tokai. Stop being difficult and learn to yield for ascenders. Don't expect ascenders to move, you move. Those are the rules. Learn to live with it, just like paying taxes, getting flu, and women. All of these are a pain, but certainly necessary in life. Use common sense and be courteous. It goes a long way. You'll find both parties end up giving and taking.

Personally I'm not too keen on this idea. For some climbing technical singletrack is what gets their stoke on. The system is simple, and guys should be aware of each other. In summer this would KILL tokai as climbing on those farm roads is hot. It's also boring, and I find if I don't ascend in the forests I go crazy.

This just keeps going around and around and around. Seriously, we need 1 set of rules. What about international riders who might ride the park? These are standard rules and if you've ever ridden anywhere outside of SA you'll see that people are cool about it. Nobody is saying you need to ring a bell. 95% of the singletracks at Tokai don't have blind corners, and if a section is THAT steep, then it will be very hard for a clipped in rider to start again. Guys, I reckon the solution to this is a nice big signboard at the front gate. I've suggested little A6 leaflets that state the rules too, to be handed out when checking in. All of this I'll be happy to design up and print myself if it will help to smooth things out. It's to make it safer for everyone. It's not just ROW rules, it's basic things too like wearing helmets, making sure nobody rides without end caps on their bars, no dragging wheels on berms or jump lips...there are more. These should be common-law, meaning if you are a considerate person, concerned for the wellbeing of your fellow man, this should be natural to do. As an example, I saw a guy some time back riding the singletrack in the forest without a helmet. When I asked him why, and offered him a spare one I had in my boot, he told me to eff off. I told him that when he breaks his skull, I'll be expected to help him out? People are strange. What's so hard about just being cool? See ya!