Just to clear up a few things Hill 2 Hill is using the ROAG seeding system, but we are aware that, as ROAG is still a relatively new system, not everybody is seeded and particularly the non-KZN riders are not all going to be seeded, so we have made a plan to accomodate you all. In short, anybody (from outside KZN) who has not done any ROAG events (ie has not done either Karkloof, Sani or Eston, or any of the others) will be seeded manually. We do not believe that anybody within KZN has any excuse not to have done at least one ROAG event this season -- the list of ROAG events is so long that if you have not done one then you are probably not riding much and possibly deserve to be seeded in the last group anyway. So, if you want to be seeded for Hill 2 Hill and live in KZN, come and do a race (Golovane this weekend, Eston coming up or one of the others listed on the Roag entries page). If you do not live in KZN and are not going to come and race in the best province then simply send an e-mail to info@hill2hill.co.za (not ROAG ... Hill 2 Hill organises the race, ROAG organises the entries and a million other things). You must include the race you did, the distance, your time, the winner and his time and the date (ONLY 2009 events) ... we will then seed you manually ... SIMPLE Now, if I can quickly swop hats: As for ROAG not using other results ... in a perfect world all results would be used. However, living with imperfections as we all do (and HR this has nothing to do with your partner) we have to make do with what we can get. To use other data it needs to be in a format which is compatible with our system and verifiable (do you know how many J Smits have entered races in SA .. and are they all the same John Smit, or John Smith captured incorrectly by some underpaid wife of a race organiser, or Johann Smit etc etc). There are a few other entities who are not prepared to share their data with us, there are a few who do not reply to e-mails and phonecalls asking if they will ... and there are those who still continue to criticise ROAG. So, we took the decision to use data we could verify as being correct and which we had access to. It may not be perfect but as we get more data from more races the seeding will become more and more accurate -- remember we do not dictate what timing system has to be used, so if an event wants to use ROAG for entries and be part of the National Series (and so has to used the designated timing system they can) as long as they agree to share results with us. Remember the ROAG system has been in operation for less than six months !!!!! I believe it is working brilliantly.