'Dale Posted July 1, 2019 Share Yes, confirmed. 'Racing incident' www.f1.com Vetplant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piston ZA Posted July 1, 2019 Share What a great race! But you have to feel for Ferrari.... luck and 50/50 calls just not going their way this season. I kind of get the feeling that the stewards erred on the side of caution on the LeClerc/ Verstappen incident. To me it was a bit too forceful, and for consistency should have been penalised. But I don't think they wanted a repeat of the Vettel/Ham incident where the first one over the line did not win. That was very very unpopular and put a big dent in F1's popularity, and to have done it at Red Bulls home race in front of all those dutch supporters, would have been another very unpopular one. And so nice to see Merc, especially Ham struggling! RoddieJ and gemmerbal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoddieJ Posted July 1, 2019 Share I cannot believe those who are justifying Max’s overtake in the bend...Firstly, he brakes too late to make the apex of the corner, therefore he was not in total control of the car! He was never going to be able to leave room for both cars. Therefore, a dangerous maneuver Secondly, the deliberate late-braking into the corner is only ever going to result in the other driver being “impeded” from getting traction onto the racing line out of the corner and being forced off the track. According to Max, the opponent should have backed off....Really????And thirdly, while it sounds very mucho to have the attitude of “if that’s not a racing incident then we might as well stay at home” is so blasé when the shoe is on the other foot. My take is: if it’s fair racing to drive an opponent out of the track, then what was pain that Hamilton suffered to incur a 5 point penalty on Vettel? Oh, Hamilton was prevented from overtaking = penalty and Max driving opponent off the track limits = racing incident... (I don’t think I can get over this) babse, Piston ZA, Steven Knoetze (sk27) and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted July 1, 2019 Share I cannot believe those who are justifying Max’s overtake in the bend...Firstly, he brakes too late to make the apex of the corner, therefore he was not in total control of the car! He was never going to be able to leave room for both cars. Therefore, a dangerous maneuverSecondly, the deliberate late-braking into the corner is only ever going to result in the other driver being “impeded” from getting traction onto the racing line out of the corner and being forced off the track. According to Max, the opponent should have backed off....Really????And thirdly, while it sounds very mucho to have the attitude of “if that’s not a racing incident then we might as well stay at home” is so blasé when the shoe is on the other foot. My take is: if it’s fair racing to drive an opponent out of the track, then what was pain that Hamilton suffered to incur a 5 point penalty on Vettel? Oh, Hamilton was prevented from overtaking = penalty and Max driving opponent off the track limits = racing incident... (I don’t think I can get over this)Good point. Either the 5s Vettel penalty vs Hamilton or this non-penalty of Verstappen is Farcical. The inconsistency is shocking. Eddy Gordo, gemmerbal, RoddieJ and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoddieJ Posted July 1, 2019 Share What a great race! But you have to feel for Ferrari.... luck and 50/50 calls just not going their way this season. I kind of get the feeling that the stewards erred on the side of caution on the LeClerc/ Verstappen incident. To me it was a bit too forceful, and for consistency should have been penalised. But I don't think they wanted a repeat of the Vettel/Ham incident where the first one over the line did not win. That was very very unpopular and put a big dent in F1's popularity, and to have done it at Red Bulls home race in front of all those dutch supporters, would have been another very unpopular one. And so nice to see Merc, especially Ham struggling!I wonder about the view that the stewards may have been seeking to avoid a similar outcome to have a winner declared who was not first over the line... Firstly, sure you will agree that should absolutely never be a consideration for the stewards, and I sincerely hope that was not the case. But, wouldn’t it have been prudent then of the stewards to have their decision made as timely as possible. I know there are standard procedures such as interviews etc etc that follow a race - but how do they allow interviews on the basis of a decision that is pending!!!! How on earth can a winner be declared in the event that there is a review decision in progress??? It boggles my mind, I cannot think of another sport that declares a winner or awards points, while the stewards/umpires/referees are reviewing a decision on an incident. This is what is killing F1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Knoetze (sk27) Posted July 1, 2019 Share I cannot believe those who are justifying Max’s overtake in the bend...Firstly, he brakes too late to make the apex of the corner, therefore he was not in total control of the car! He was never going to be able to leave room for both cars. Therefore, a dangerous maneuverSecondly, the deliberate late-braking into the corner is only ever going to result in the other driver being “impeded” from getting traction onto the racing line out of the corner and being forced off the track. According to Max, the opponent should have backed off....Really????And thirdly, while it sounds very mucho to have the attitude of “if that’s not a racing incident then we might as well stay at home” is so blasé when the shoe is on the other foot. My take is: if it’s fair racing to drive an opponent out of the track, then what was pain that Hamilton suffered to incur a 5 point penalty on Vettel? Oh, Hamilton was prevented from overtaking = penalty and Max driving opponent off the track limits = racing incident... (I don’t think I can get over this) Max is a super talented driver, but equally he has a serious chip on his shoulder and is a prick.Yes this is esport racing but still speaks to his attitude, get out my way or else, been that way from his carting days:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsFSNsgU-J4Watch from 2:20 to 2:50ish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyKGUXRSsgWatch from 0:35 gemmerbal, RoddieJ, babse and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoddieJ Posted July 1, 2019 Share Brilliant portrayal of Mad Max Verstappen... :thumbs: Steven Knoetze (sk27) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 1, 2019 Share The deliberation took several hours. LeClerc would've cried himself to sleep.So close. Again. Certainly spices up the ol F1. RoddieJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoddieJ Posted July 1, 2019 Share The deliberation took several hours. LeClerc would've cried himself to sleep.So close. Again. Certainly spices up the ol F1.It’s like LeClerc taking a penalty for being in the way of a faster Mad Max... Steven Knoetze (sk27) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piernas Flacas Posted July 1, 2019 Share We need more races like that, well done Max! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted July 1, 2019 Share Max drive aggressively and I feel he took the win fair but aggressively, gutted for Charles but at least redbull and Ferrari seem to be getting closer to merc Did anyone see how close the Williams were to force India in qualifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Stewart Posted July 1, 2019 Share When the first replay of the incident was shown, I remember thinking that Max very slightly straightened his steering, causing the knock on Le Clerc, and that this was likely going to be investigated. Later after it was announced that the stewards were looking into the incident, and watching the replay over and over, I confirmed my initial thoughts, that Max did indeed not necessarily turn "into" Le Clerc, but he also did not try and avoid him either.Racing on the limit? Professional foul? You be the judge. I suspect that Ferrari will take the Hamster and Verstappen incidents in their stride, and as the saying goes, 'what does not kill you, makes you stronger'. Watch for a strong reply on the track, where it matters most. RoddieJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Stewart Posted July 1, 2019 Share But still, a stomping drive from Max nonetheless, from his dismal start to where he ended. Steven Knoetze (sk27) and Eddy Gordo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Gordo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Good point. Either the 5s Vettel penalty vs Hamilton or this non-penalty of Verstappen is Farcical. The inconsistency is shocking.and that is why I did not watch the race. I caught some of the qualifying on saturday. Always more exciting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piston ZA Posted July 1, 2019 Share But still, a stomping drive from Max nonetheless, from his dismal start to where he ended.As much as I think Verstappen should've been penalised for the LeClerc pass, he did drive a phenomenal race. Can't remember, but didn't he lap his team mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted July 1, 2019 Share What an amazing race. Can Gasly go now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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