Campag, Shimmano or SRAM

[GoLefty!!]

Like my SRAM.... until my wife's bike came with record levers... man that's one smooooooth shift that SRAM does not have. Mate of mine put record on his bike before 94.7 with carbon cranks and spidey brakes..... eish!

 

MWNN wonders how the Black Beast will look with full record.....

 

 

Ok I'm going to do a Bornman here;

 

what is a "Smooth" shift? Every single type of shifter that has good cables and housing feels smooth. Some feel heavy at the shift lever, some feel light.

SRAM feels quick and cluncky while Campag feels progressively heavier till the point of the shift.

 

Are you refering to the speeda t which the chain moves to the next sprocket? If so hen this can be affected by the lubrication, wear on your cassette or how strong your fingers are to initiate the shift.

 

This smoothness thing really gets me scratching my head cos I'm a Campag record user and I can;t seem to feel that Campag is any smoother or faster or better than Shimano or SRAM.

 

is this a little bit like Christianity. You believe, despite logic dictating otherwise..?

 

not trying to stir up a religious debate but would really like to understand this "smooth" description

[javadude]

 

the best groupset is the one that works the way you prefer it too.

 

if you like cluncky heavy shifts with slightly spongy brakes' date=' then go Campag

 

if you like light easy shifts and solid brakes, and comfy hoods then go for Shimano.

 

if you're an early adopter who likes 50gr less, zooty detailing best ergonomics but the ugliest crank, then get SRAM Red..

 

 

 

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My Chorus shifts seamlessly. I often have to look down at the cassette to make sure it changed because i didn't hear the shift. As for the brakes, no sponginess on mine. Perhaps if you run campy brakes with Shimano cables there'd be some sponginess, but definitely not on my bike.

 

[GoLefty!!]

the best groupset is the one that works the way you prefer it too.

 

if you like cluncky heavy shifts with slightly spongy brakes' date=' then go Campag

 

if you like light easy shifts and solid brakes, and comfy hoods then go for Shimano.

 

if you're an early adopter who likes 50gr less, zooty detailing best ergonomics but the ugliest crank, then get SRAM Red..

 

 

 

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My Chorus shifts seamlessly. I often have to look down at the cassette to make sure it changed because i didn't hear the shift. As for the brakes, no sponginess on mine. Perhaps if you run campy brakes with Shimano cables there'd be some sponginess, but definitely not on my bike.

 

 

Try riding all three groups on the same day and then be the judge. Shimano has the most responsive brakes. Whether it's the pads, stiffer calipers or whatever. Shimano brakes are more responsive.

 

And all three groups had the OEM cables fitted i.e. campag with campag cables, shimano with shimano and SRAM with SRAM..

 

Try  it and see. I know it's hard to find fault with your own bike parts but believe it or not, the other OEM don;t have idiot engineers working for them either

[ewep]

GoLefty, I have done this before.  I can say (according to my limited, back-of-the-pack experience) that the order of preference and decent use is:

 

Campag (rode the Chorus that day, but not with the carbon cranks)

SRam Force

Shimano D/A

 

What I love about the Campy is that you can change gears at just about any time.  Under force or not.  Also, because of small hands, I found the hoodies more comfortable.  Downside is cost!!!  And it does take some time before the groupset has a less "forcefull" change (or so people say).

 

SRam.  Love the hoodies.  Initially it looks weird, but very comfortable.  Then the way you change gears are very nice.  Downside, untested (NOT TdF, those okes ride with 3000 groupsets in the truck) and the front der change.

 

Shimano.  Looks, looks and looks.  Changes are "smooth", i.e. not the "clucky" feel and sound of Campy and SRam.  Downside.  I find the grouppo not as durable as Campy and def not as reliable.  You have to fiddle with the gears every now and then to get them "just right".

 

As I said, this is my feeling on the subject and NOT scientifically proven.  And I might be a bit biased towards Campy cause it's on my Colnago.

 

[Man with no name]

Like my SRAM.... until my wife's bike came with record levers... man that's one smooooooth shift that SRAM does not have. Mate of mine put record on his bike before 94.7 with carbon cranks and spidey brakes..... eish!

 

MWNN wonders how the Black Beast will look with full record.....

 

 

Ok I'm going to do a Bornman here;

 

what is a "Smooth" shift? Every single type of shifter that has good cables and housing feels smooth. Some feel heavy at the shift lever' date=' some feel light.

SRAM feels quick and cluncky while Campag feels progressively heavier till the point of the shift.

 

Are you refering to the speeda t which the chain moves to the next sprocket? If so hen this can be affected by the lubrication, wear on your cassette or how strong your fingers are to initiate the shift.

 

This smoothness thing really gets me scratching my head cos I'm a Campag record user and I can;t seem to feel that Campag is any smoother or faster or better than Shimano or SRAM.

 

is this a little bit like Christianity. You believe, despite logic dictating otherwise..?

 

not trying to stir up a religious debate but would really like to understand this "smooth" description

[/quote']

 

"smoothness" in this instance refer to precision X ease of shifting

[nellie]

I've had an ancient 2nd hand 8 spd Chorus groupy and then got a new Ultegra groupset when i crashed my first Orbea as i needed to upgrade to 10spd...

 

Even comparing a 19-foetsek model campy and a 2000-something Shimano (both just below the top of the range model) i still like Campy best.

[GoLefty!!]

Like my SRAM.... until my wife's bike came with record levers... man that's one smooooooth shift that SRAM does not have. Mate of mine put record on his bike before 94.7 with carbon cranks and spidey brakes..... eish!

 

MWNN wonders how the Black Beast will look with full record.....

 

 

Ok I'm going to do a Bornman here;

 

what is a "Smooth" shift? Every single type of shifter that has good cables and housing feels smooth. Some feel heavy at the shift lever' date=' some feel light.

SRAM feels quick and cluncky while Campag feels progressively heavier till the point of the shift.

 

Are you refering to the speeda t which the chain moves to the next sprocket? If so hen this can be affected by the lubrication, wear on your cassette or how strong your fingers are to initiate the shift.

 

This smoothness thing really gets me scratching my head cos I'm a Campag record user and I can;t seem to feel that Campag is any smoother or faster or better than Shimano or SRAM.

 

is this a little bit like Christianity. You believe, despite logic dictating otherwise..?

 

not trying to stir up a religious debate but would really like to understand this "smooth" description

[/quote']

 

"smoothness" in this instance refer to precision X ease of shifting

 

 

Ok so we're talking about set up and leverage.

In this area I find the SRAM to be the best, Shimano just behind it and Campag last. But we're spliting hairs about a fraction of a percent

 

I can tell you now that between a well set up CAmpy, Shimano or SRAM the difference you perceive is how the hoods feel and the weight / sound of the shift. For all intents and purposes they are all well designed and function.

The other major area of diffence is brake feel and here I have to hand it too Shimano. Neither my beloved Campy nor Sram is close to Dura Ace Brakes in performance.

 

I admit it too, I chose Campy because I am a porn star. it's bike jewellry and since I';mnot about to win the TdF anytime soon the fraction of a percentage performance differene between the groups is irrelevant.

 

Now when my new, only 2off in SA saddle arrives, the jewelry box will be complete

[dirtrider]

Then again on the single speed none of these really matter now except the brakes but who wanna brake anyway !

[E1A104]

Shimano - 7 or 8 x TDF

Campagnolo - Most of the rest.

SRAM - None yet.

[Man with no name]

hardcore question - what is the performance and weight difference between chorus and record?

 

wa dilbert?

 

[GoLefty!!]

Shimano - 7 or 8 x TDF

Campagnolo - Most of the rest.

SRAM - None yet.

 

neither have you

[ewep]

 

Shimano - 7 or 8 x TDF

Campagnolo - Most of the rest.

SRAM - None yet.

 

neither have you

 

At least he's trying...

 

[AndreZA]

Hey Ewep, what do you know about Campag? For pete's sake, you drive a Kia!

 

 

[Jokerman]

Oooooooooooooi, I think this is one question that will be debated long after we are all six feet under hey..............

 

You all know in which Camp I stand hey...................Shimano rules !!!!!!!

 

I guess it's all presonal preference since all 3 are great group sets

[ewep]

 

Hey Ewep' date=' what do you know about Campag? For pete's sake, you drive a Kia!

 

 

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I drive a Kia to be able to afford my Campy goodies!

 

[E1A104]

Shimano - 7 or 8 x TDF

Campagnolo - Most of the rest.

SRAM - None yet.

 

neither have you

 

Neither have I what ??