Cricket......

[Shebeen]

They have changed the format, so no more top 8. Everyone plays everyone once and then straight into semis.

we're expected to make the semis

 

but eng/india are favourites by quite a margin

 

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/world-cup/world-cup-2019/to-reach-semi-final

[l4y3rcake]

There goes my credibility [emoji85]. Just proves how little interest i have in white ball cricket.

 

I doubt we will make the semis.

 

 

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The math is actually quite simple. We need to win at least 6 of our pool matches and that shouldn't be too difficult. The part that worries me is wether we can put in a few big margin wins to boost our economy rate because I think 4th on the log is going to depend on that.

Edited March 26, 2019 by l4y3rcake

[Shebeen]

The math is actually quite simple. We need to win at least 6 of our pool matches and that shouldn't be too difficult. The part that worries me is wether we can put in a few big margin wins to boost our economy rate because I think 4th on the log is going to depend on that.

ja, in an ideal world you get one team winning 9, the next 8, the third 7 etc.

 

but you're more likely to get a mix of that. winning 6 should however be enough.

 

oh and it will rain.

and if it's no result against a (theoretically) banker team like AFG then that's points dropped.

[The Ghost]

https://m.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/prince-calls-out-proteas-coach-gibson-over-verreynne-20190326

[babse]

Happy 40th to Tahir ????

[Skubarra]

I see Ashwin's mankad run-out of Josh Butler is causing some controversy on social media

 

I'm only a casual follower of cricket so clearly I'm missing some of the nuances of the sport but I have never understood why a mankad is so controversial. If the batman is sneaking the odd meter to make his run shorter surely that is the risk he is taking?  Risk vs reward and all that stuff..

[bertusras]

I see Ashwin's mankad run-out of Josh Butler is causing some controversy on social media

 

I'm only a casual follower of cricket so clearly I'm missing some of the nuances of the sport but I have never understood why a mankad is so controversial. If the batman is sneaking the odd meter to make his run shorter surely that is the risk he is taking?  Risk vs reward and all that stuff..

 

I agree that it's part of the rules and should [could] be used in certain circumstances, but overall it's a pretty dick move. Furthermore, if you read the definition of the rules to the letter:

 

“If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out,” the law states.

 

So some clever folks have superimposed Ashwin's normal delivery stride, over what happened on that night

 

 

Kinda looks like Buttler was still in his crease when Ashwin "would normally have been expected to release the ball."

 

So in that instance, I would go with not-out.

 

 

For the record, Rajasthan lost seven wickets for 16 runs at a crucial moment in the chase to fall 14 runs short of Punjab’s total of 185.

 

Buttler looked to be cruising towards a successful run chase with 69 runs from 43 balls — but that’s when Ashwin’s dismissal turned the game, and the cricketing world, on its head.

 

Buttler was busy smacking them all around the park at that point, and in the end his team ended up on the losing side. So to get him out in this fashion is just not cricket.

 

/end

 

Edit:

 

The 2012 incident is far more clear cut (watch from 1:35)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BPWlyfBmI

Edited March 27, 2019 by bertusras

[Shebeen]

 

I agree that it's part of the rules and should [could] be used in certain circumstances, but overall it's a pretty dick move. Furthermore, if you read the definition of the rules to the letter:

 

 

So some clever folks have superimposed Ashwin's normal delivery stride, over what happened on that night

 

 

Kinda looks like Buttler was still in his crease when Ashwin "would normally have been expected to release the ball."

 

So in that instance, I would go with not-out.

 

 

Buttler was busy smacking them all around the park at that point, and in the end his team ended up on the losing side. So to get him out in this fashion is just not cricket.

 

/end

 

Edit:

 

The 2012 incident is far more clear cut (watch from 1:35)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BPWlyfBmI

 

it's a d1ck move

https://www.sportsclub.co.za/watch-montage-of-mankads/

Sachin knows that

 

an answer for me. take away a run from the batting team for each time the bowler delivers the ball and the batsmen is already out of his crease.

 

 

 

meanwhile at supersport park, Steyn opened with a wicket double maiden

[gemmerbal]

From memory, they are the only international cricket team who in recent history have resorted to mankading batsmen. That should say everything.

 

My utter disdain for the Indian cricket team, their IPL and the BCCI is beyond repeating on this forum. Thats all i have to say about that.

Edited March 27, 2019 by gemmerbal

[Shebeen]

Low scoring game at centurion, and the titans have a long tail.

 

Kleinveldt for man of the match

[Shebeen]

https://www.sacricketmag.com/saca-unconvinced-by-csa-changes/

 

So they're going to drop the franchise system, and basically put all their eggs into the MSL basket.

[cvancoillie]

https://www.sacricketmag.com/saca-unconvinced-by-csa-changes/

 

So they're going to drop the franchise system, and basically put all their eggs into the MSL basket.

Going back to provincial cricket is a good move. The present club (franchise) competition was a backwards step. In future I will at least know who is playing who. 

[gemmerbal]

 

 

Not sure this is a good move. If you look at the quality of cricket on display in the current 6 franchise system, can you imagine what the standard would be like if the little talent around is spread even thinner? CSA's motivation from what I can tell is that it makes more financial sense. Now please explain to me how this works? We have little to no attendance with the system as it is, who in their right mind would go watch if the quality of cricket is even worse than now? Hosting more matches cost more money!

 

Yes, they do seem to be placing all of their eggs in the MSL basket, which in itself is a risky move considering the struggles they had to get it off the ground in the first place! I overheard Russel Adams at Newlands during a recent match having a laught about the new competition he was supposed to get up and running. This was shortly before they canned the first attempt at the Global League. At least they decided to do away with the domestic T20 competition, mainly due to lack of sponsorship.

 

The only thing that would be achieved with having 14 provincial teams (A and B division will be implemented after season 1) is that it will have more quota players to choose from, sorry that sounds crass but it is what it is.

 

If you have a can of petrol and mix it with water, does it mean you can run more ferraris?

 

As a lover of the purest form of the game, most of my comments above should be read in relation to the 4 day competition as that is where players are supposed to be groomed and tested for international consideration.

 

@cvancoillie, your comment that the franchise system was a step backwards is interesting. How do you come to that conclusion? Is strength vs strength a move forwards or backwards? [i realize this might seem contradictory, but keep in mind our talent pool is already very small]. Look at what happened with super rugby as soon as they started introducing more teams?

 

CSA, like the ECB, is in need of some serious introspection. You cant grow the game with bull**** competitions (read the new 100's competition that will be played in England). You need to develop coaches/infrastructure/school leagues that will ultimately eradicate the need for quotas and make young kids hungry to play because they feel they all have an equal opportunity. Develop the junior game, it will filter through to senior cricket, yes it will take time, but there is NO QUICK FIX.

 

In the words of Stone Cold: and that's all I have to say about that.

Edited April 11, 2019 by gemmerbal

[cvancoillie]

Strength vs strength is achieved by having A and B sections, as it used to be and is intended to be implemented. (I do not know why they need to delay this by a season.) As you point out, super rugby proves that franchises by no means automatically produce strength vs strength. All our franchise system did was to take away the identities of the teams. Referring to super rugby again, I read that the NZ teams are asking for the names to revert back to including where they come from, such as Canterbury Crusaders, Otago Highlanders and thus Queensland Reds, Gauteng Lions and so on. I believe teams should have identities and the unimaginative names used in our franchises destroyed that.

 

@cvancoillie, your comment that the franchise system was a step backwards is interesting. How do you come to that conclusion? Is strength vs strength a move forwards or backwards? [i realize this might seem contradictory, but keep in mind our talent pool is already very small]. Look at what happened with super rugby as soon as they started introducing more teams?

[gemmerbal]

Strength vs strength is achieved by having A and B sections, as it used to be and is intended to be implemented. (I do not know why they need to delay this by a season.) As you point out, super rugby proves that franchises by no means automatically produce strength vs strength. All our franchise system did was to take away the identities of the teams. Referring to super rugby again, I read that the NZ teams are asking for the names to revert back to including where they come from, such as Canterbury Crusaders, Otago Highlanders and thus Queensland Reds, Gauteng Lions and so on. I believe teams should have identities and the unimaginative names used in our franchises destroyed that.

The first thing that happens when you have A and B divisions is players start club/province/franchise hopping. Playing in the B division is beneath the modern cricketer, you know, this generation that wants instant gratification and is not willing to help build a team with identity. And therein lies the second problem.

 

Go spend a saturday at your local cricket club and listen to the old ballies talking about how club cricket isnt as strong as it used to be. What that means is we have weaker players playing first class cricket. As is evident already. Do we really need b division club cricketers playing provincial cricket when currently we see our premier club cricketers on show, who at best would have made a Bellville CC second team when we had the likes of Lloyd Fereira, Jonathan Trott, Sean Ackerman, Quintin Friend, Riaan Oosthuizen, Matthys Brink, Grant de Kock and so on playing club cricket?

[Shebeen]

Strength vs strength is achieved by having A and B sections, as it used to be and is intended to be implemented. (I do not know why they need to delay this by a season.) As you point out, super rugby proves that franchises by no means automatically produce strength vs strength. All our franchise system did was to take away the identities of the teams. Referring to super rugby again, I read that the NZ teams are asking for the names to revert back to including where they come from, such as Canterbury Crusaders, Otago Highlanders and thus Queensland Reds, Gauteng Lions and so on. I believe teams should have identities and the unimaginative names used in our franchises destroyed that.

sjoe.

 

using kiwi rugby as an example of franchise systems is showing that they are effective!

 

 

where it is totally different is that in professional cricket the national players are 90/95% on the road/with national team and only play 10/5% with their province (and never club). rugby it's closer to 50/50%. We've seen some national players switch province willy nilly but never even end up playing for their new one.

 

my bugbear - they need to realise that we are not one of the big 3, and way behind in the pecking order. We need to be different, by trying to do a ctrl-c ctrlv of the big bash we are going to get scraps. Whether that means coming up with a new concept (i have some ideas) or working with the tier 2 countries - pakis/srilanka/newz/windies