Rugby...

[flymango]

15 Wille 4/10 should have been red carded, opposition have worked out his X-factor

14 Ruan 6/10 starved of possession, but signs of promise

13 Lionel 6/10 hasn't carried Super Rugby form into Bok jersey, deserves better inside partner

12 Damien 4/10 apart from his try last week, he's been nowhere all season

11 JP 7/10 made me eat humble pie, but I'd still prefer to see us building for 2019

10 Elton 5/10 poor kicking options under pressure and can't defend a channel, not my no 10

9 Faf 8/10 showing great signs to make the jersey his, but can't kick into box, two game saving moments

8 Warren 6/10 didn't do anything wrong and must start ahead of Duane, clearly under orders not to contest breakdown 

7 Siya 5/10 another example of not being able to transition from Super rugby to international rugby, high work rate but ineffectual 

6 Flow 6/10 one of his better games for a while, although still average at the breakdown (although clearly been told not to contest and risk penalties)

5 Pieter-Stef 8/10 my man of the match, was everywhere in the tight and lose

4 Eben 4/10 has also not been on form, work rate down not making same physical impression

3 Frans 6/10 best game of the series thus far, good scrums and better discipline 

2 Adriaan 5/10 nothing wrong but also not the same carrier and breakdown proponent we know

1Beast 5/10 has lost his dominance in the scrum all season, could be on borrowed time

 

Notable Subs

17 Steven made a huge impact at loosehead, needs a starting spot (replace Beast)

19 Franco made me realise Eben was missing in action, needs a starting spot (replace Eben)

20 Jaco finally got his cap and showed why he's the best loosie in SA at the moment, needs a starting spot (replace Flo)

['Dale]

_and how is the 3-0 snotklap by the English over the Wallabies

Yoh!

[Mntboy]

Let's not forget that we haven't gone from being world beaters to the position we find ourselves currently in over night. We were 2nd in June 2015 and dropped as low as 6th while Ireland have also gone up and down.

 

Sure, we should never be losing to Iteland, but we also lost to Argentina and Japan, under the previous coach. Should England be beating Aus? No, but it happened (x3).

 

We find ourselves in a position where instead of thumping any home nation we struggle to beat them.

 

Go and have a look at the rankings and you'll see that NZ are way out front, with positions 2-4 changing between Aus, Eng and SA. In fact the top 6 are spread by less points than the difference between 1st and 2nd.

 

SA needs to rebuild to secure 2nd spot and ensure we remain there until the gap to 1st is worth competing for. Until that happens, we should expect "below par performances". Sure, politics doesn't make it easy but this team has the ability to win games.

 

World rankings...

 

June 2015

 

October 2015

 

May 2016

 

This week (20th)

Agreed. I can't help but feel that in order to get ourselves into that no 2 position and to secure it and help us build to the end goal of being world no 1 we are going to need a specialist attack coach. Someone who can create the best possible set of plans with the players at the national side's disposal. It would help if it's someone with international experience for sure but a guy like Carlos Spencer can certainly do the job well enough. Our passing stats suggest that it definitely was our intent to keep the ball alive while we had it so it shouldn't be a big adjustment having someone come in and refine that part of our game. We can defend all day but the game is still very much centered on winning by scoring tries!

 

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['Dale]

Yip, Gerald'

 

Reversing and advancing from the poor legacy of the last coach is gonna be a process

 

I'm happy as a fan:

Form players are rewarded

Experienced players still have a chance to bring their value

There's a clear call for internationally based Boks to play their game in SA

The game plan is forward based with good enough flair from pivot onwards.

 

GO BOKKIES ????

[Mntboy]

 

 

15 Wille 4/10 should have been red carded, opposition have worked out his X-factor - Was very lucky not to have been red carded, difference between Northern Hemisphere referees and our Southern Hemisphere referees? Lambie would make a good option at fullback, as would Goosen.

14 Ruan 6/10 starved of possession, but signs of promise

13 Lionel 6/10 hasn't carried Super Rugby form into Bok jersey, deserves better inside partner

12 Damien 4/10 apart from his try last week, he's been nowhere all season - He's not the player from last season at all when some on this here Bikehub wanted to refer to him as one of the best insides in the world. Needs to get his form back and get his head straight. Wouldn't mind seeing Frans Steyn being called up but would that weakling called Hoskins allow it? None too sure on that.

11 JP 7/10 made me eat humble pie, but I'd still prefer to see us building for 2019 - The problem with JP is that he has the odd occasional game where he gets his 07 & 09 form back and plays wonderfully well and then is shoddy the next. Maybe we need to look at both Sergeal Petersen and Courtnal Skosan. Capable players both of them.

10 Elton 5/10 poor kicking options under pressure and can't defend a channel, not my no 10 - Give him time, he will improve.

9 Faf 8/10 showing great signs to make the jersey his, but can't kick into box, two game saving moments - Same as EJ has the raw goods just needs time to develop.

8 Warren 6/10 didn't do anything wrong and must start ahead of Duane, clearly under orders not to contest breakdown - Captaincy material imho!

7 Siya 5/10 another example of not being able to transition from Super rugby to international rugby, high work rate but ineffectual - Needs to be better managed and given a proper clean clear cut understanding of what's expected of him.

6 Flow 6/10 one of his better games for a while, although still average at the breakdown (although clearly been told not to contest and risk penalties)

5 Pieter-Stef 8/10 my man of the match, was everywhere in the tight and lose

4 Eben 4/10 has also not been on form, work rate down not making same physical impression - Needs to find his early season form. Could do with being dropped as well.

3 Frans 6/10 best game of the series thus far, good scrums and better discipline - Felt the same.

2 Adriaan 5/10 nothing wrong but also not the same carrier and breakdown proponent we know - I am genuinely worried that he has been named captain for the rest of the season. He really doesn't strike me as the right guy for the job. If anything it's hindered his play rather than improve it as it did for JDV.

1Beast 5/10 has lost his dominance in the scrum all season, could be on borrowed time

 

Notable Subs

17 Steven made a huge impact at loosehead, needs a starting spot (replace Beast)

19 Franco made me realise Eben was missing in action, needs a starting spot (replace Eben) - agree!

20 Jaco finally got his cap and showed why he's the best loosie in SA at the moment, needs a starting spot (replace Flo) - agree!

Agree with a lot of what you said. Hopefully AC is thinking on similar lines to us. Anyway there's plenty talent it needs refining and given a proper game plan. Hoping AC has an actual plan in mind other than just repeating what others have done before him.

 

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[Mntboy]

15 Wille 4/10 should have been red carded, opposition have worked out his X-factor - Was very lucky not to have been red carded, difference between Northern Hemisphere referees and our Southern Hemisphere referees? Lambie would make a good option at fullback, as would Goosen.

14 Ruan 6/10 starved of possession, but signs of promise

13 Lionel 6/10 hasn't carried Super Rugby form into Bok jersey, deserves better inside partner

12 Damien 4/10 apart from his try last week, he's been nowhere all season - He's not the player from last season at all when some on this here Bikehub wanted to refer to him as one of the best insides in the world. Needs to get his form back and get his head straight. Wouldn't mind seeing Frans Steyn being called up but would that weakling called Hoskins allow it? None too sure on that.

11 JP 7/10 made me eat humble pie, but I'd still prefer to see us building for 2019 - The problem with JP is that he has the odd occasional game where he gets his 07 & 09 form back and plays wonderfully well and then is shoddy the next. Maybe we need to look at both Sergeal Petersen and Courtnal Skosan. Capable players both of them.

10 Elton 5/10 poor kicking options under pressure and can't defend a channel, not my no 10 - Give him time, he will improve.

9 Faf 8/10 showing great signs to make the jersey his, but can't kick into box, two game saving moments - Same as EJ has the raw goods just needs time to develop.

8 Warren 6/10 didn't do anything wrong and must start ahead of Duane, clearly under orders not to contest breakdown - Captaincy material imho!

7 Siya 5/10 another example of not being able to transition from Super rugby to international rugby, high work rate but ineffectual - Needs to be better managed and given a proper clean clear cut understanding of what's expected of him.

6 Flow 6/10 one of his better games for a while, although still average at the breakdown (although clearly been told not to contest and risk penalties)

5 Pieter-Stef 8/10 my man of the match, was everywhere in the tight and lose

4 Eben 4/10 has also not been on form, work rate down not making same physical impression - Needs to find his early season form. Could do with being dropped as well.

3 Frans 6/10 best game of the series thus far, good scrums and better discipline - Felt the same.

2 Adriaan 5/10 nothing wrong but also not the same carrier and breakdown proponent we know - I am genuinely worried that he has been named captain for the rest of the season. He really doesn't strike me as the right guy for the job. If anything it's hindered his play rather than improve it as it did for JDV.

1Beast 5/10 has lost his dominance in the scrum all season, could be on borrowed time

 

Notable Subs

17 Steven made a huge impact at loosehead, needs a starting spot (replace Beast)

19 Franco made me realise Eben was missing in action, needs a starting spot (replace Eben) - agree!

20 Jaco finally got his cap and showed why he's the best loosie in SA at the moment, needs a starting spot (replace Flo) - agree!

Double post

 

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Edited June 26, 2016 by Mntboy

[Mntboy]

15 Wille 4/10 should have been red carded, opposition have worked out his X-factor - Was very lucky not to have been red carded, difference between Northern Hemisphere referees and our Southern Hemisphere referees? Lambie would make a good option at fullback, as would Goosen.

14 Ruan 6/10 starved of possession, but signs of promise

13 Lionel 6/10 hasn't carried Super Rugby form into Bok jersey, deserves better inside partner

12 Damien 4/10 apart from his try last week, he's been nowhere all season - He's not the player from last season at all when some on this here Bikehub wanted to refer to him as one of the best insides in the world. Needs to get his form back and get his head straight. Wouldn't mind seeing Frans Steyn being called up but would that weakling called Hoskins allow it? None too sure on that.

11 JP 7/10 made me eat humble pie, but I'd still prefer to see us building for 2019 - The problem with JP is that he has the odd occasional game where he gets his 07 & 09 form back and plays wonderfully well and then is shoddy the next. Maybe we need to look at both Sergeal Petersen and Courtnal Skosan. Capable players both of them.

10 Elton 5/10 poor kicking options under pressure and can't defend a channel, not my no 10 - Give him time, he will improve.

9 Faf 8/10 showing great signs to make the jersey his, but can't kick into box, two game saving moments - Same as EJ has the raw goods just needs time to develop.

8 Warren 6/10 didn't do anything wrong and must start ahead of Duane, clearly under orders not to contest breakdown - Captaincy material imho!

7 Siya 5/10 another example of not being able to transition from Super rugby to international rugby, high work rate but ineffectual - Needs to be better managed and given a proper clean clear cut understanding of what's expected of him.

6 Flow 6/10 one of his better games for a while, although still average at the breakdown (although clearly been told not to contest and risk penalties)

5 Pieter-Stef 8/10 my man of the match, was everywhere in the tight and lose

4 Eben 4/10 has also not been on form, work rate down not making same physical impression - Needs to find his early season form. Could do with being dropped as well.

3 Frans 6/10 best game of the series thus far, good scrums and better discipline - Felt the same.

2 Adriaan 5/10 nothing wrong but also not the same carrier and breakdown proponent we know - I am genuinely worried that he has been named captain for the rest of the season. He really doesn't strike me as the right guy for the job. If anything it's hindered his play rather than improve it as it did for JDV.

1Beast 5/10 has lost his dominance in the scrum all season, could be on borrowed time

 

Notable Subs

17 Steven made a huge impact at loosehead, needs a starting spot (replace Beast)

19 Franco made me realise Eben was missing in action, needs a starting spot (replace Eben) - agree!

20 Jaco finally got his cap and showed why he's the best loosie in SA at the moment, needs a starting spot (replace Flo) - agree!

Tapatalk stutter!

 

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Edited June 26, 2016 by Mntboy

[flymango]

Yip, Gerald'

 

Reversing and advancing from the poor legacy of the last coach is gonna be a process

 

I'm happy as a fan:

Form players are rewarded

Experienced players still have a chance to bring their value

There's a clear call for internationally based Boks to play their game in SA

The game plan is forward based with good enough flair from pivot onwards.

 

GO BOKKIES

 

Although I must add I don't believe we've got the right team to support AC.

 

Van Graan has been very stereotyped since his days together with HM, and respectfully Mzwnadile Stick has got no proven coaching credentials or experience of the 15-man game to speak of.

 

England beat Australia because of a seasoned campaigner like Eddy Jones. It would be naive to think that experience doesn't count for something. 

[leeubok]

Although I must add I don't believe we've got the right team to support AC.

 

Van Graan has been very stereotyped since his days together with HM, and respectfully Mzwnadile Stick has got no proven coaching credentials or experience of the 15-man game to speak of.

 

England beat Australia because of a seasoned campaigner like Eddy Jones. It would be naive to think that experience doesn't count for something.

I'm with you on this one. I'd even go as far as to say AC isn't the right man for the job. I'll admit, it's still early days and probably unfair to judge him after only 3 games at the helm. BUT...

Since when does the Springboks struggle to beat Ireland? At home nogals? A very injury depleted Ireland side nogals. A very tired Ireland side after a long season. And we scraped through by the hair on our teeth. Thanks to 2 try saving tackles by faf (how jpp got motm I don't know..). This series could so easily have gone to Ireland, and they probably deserved it more.

So what worries me is that we have an incredibly talented squad of players. Here and there are a few passengers that shouldn't be there, but overall AC has awarded super rugby form. So why were we so dreadful? I blame the coaches. AC and his wp comrades were not exactly known for coaching an exciting attacking brand of rugby at wp. So why now expect anything different from them?

And then there's stick. I probably don't need to say much more than that.

 

There are already too many cooks in the kitchen but they need an external someone to help out. Preferably a nz coach. Or at the very least ackers or swys to help with the backline play

[Bloukrans]

Lots of work to be done before the championship.

 

Well done boks!

[GLuvsMtb]

Ok realistically we should finish second in the Championship if we play well. The Northern hemisphere have caught up in a big way. How will the South respond? A start would be to hold on to our players a bit longer. So much skills transfer is taking place from our Super Stars to young European players. And penalizing players who ply their trade elsewhere is not the answer, incentivizing those who remain is the way to go. We also need to fix the Super rugby setup. Its not working and it shows.

[MTBeer]

Haven't seen anything in this team to give me hope for the Rugby Championship.

 

The AB's are going to destroy us. We'll be lucky to scrape a win against the convicts and Argies.

[HappyMartin]

Haven't seen anything in this team to give me hope for the Rugby Championship.

 

The AB's are going to destroy us. We'll be lucky to scrape a win against the convicts and Argies.

I hope you are wrong. I have some hope. Some very big changes happening in the team and the thing is they are working out. Perhaps it will give everyone confidence to keep changing.

 

Faf is a case in point. He has gone from being given a test run off the bench to being the stand out player in just three games. Those of us that have been watching him at Ellis Park are not surprised.

 

Let the guys settle. Let's see what the coach can do. We needed a shake up. Perhaps this is it

[Frosty]

I think many supporters are expecting to be back where we belong. Sadly, that's not going to happen overnight, and will take time.

 

I think, as HappyMartin has mentioned above, that Lions supporters know how bad it has been and are enjoying the new style of rugby they play.

[scotty]

Plenty of work to do. Ireland at its strongest playing in the 6 nations only manged 2 wins.  A weaker Irish team come out and give us a real run for our money, dominating us and nearly winning the series. 

[flymango]

Wasn't me - I promise. 

 

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/5-players-coetzee-could-call-on-20160627