Johan Brits Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Chris Junior , thanks for the great support when I purchased my new BMC from CWC , much appreciated and awsome bike , well done!!
Guest colonel Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Well for those people who didnt know CWC has cheap prices do now after all of this and this post will definatley sell alot more products I gather.
mr PV Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Hi CWC Thank goodness someone is taking the initiative to do something. Do the importers not think that we travel the world and see for ourselves what products cost overseas....do they not think that we have internet and that the world is now a small place... the days of cartels and monopolies are over. You can be assured of my support and I hope that through your continuous good prices cycling will become affordable to the masses.
Jules Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 No doubt the wholesalers will deny the allegations of collusion, but it would be nice if J&J and Coolheat could give the cycling public a credible reason as to the fairly large price differences between "authorised dealer" prices and those of CWC. It is my understanding that CWC's retail prices for Campagnolo are more or less the same as what the LBS pays for Campag. I'm sure that being the "authorised dealer", J&J is able to get the best possible prices for Campag stuff, so how is it possible that CWC and other, foreign, online retailers are undercutting it?
Super Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Brandon, that was so stupid! I have always been a good supporter of Raleigh and probike! Even bought my youngster a raleigh.But now that i've seen what attitude and kind of person you really are.... i wont spend another send on any probike product, neither refer anybody to!sh*t ambassador for probike!
Super Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Chris' date=' can you please ask your dad to pay our account? Its in 60 and 90 days again! [/quote'] ****something that tactfull and imature from a big supplier like yourself Brandon is really an award winning statement. I dont believe that their acc has jack to do with any of us. Imagine if Wesbank came on here and asked you to, infront of everyone here to pay your car account??? Dude that is so imature Im sorry I didnt think you were so low but hey we learn everyday. Colonel.. You are 100% correct. and well said bud!
Omar Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Chris' date=' can you please ask your dad to pay our account? Its in 60 and 90 days again! [/quote'] ****something that tactfull and imature from a big supplier like yourself Brandon is really an award winning statement. I dont believe that their acc has jack to do with any of us. Imagine if Wesbank came on here and asked you to, infront of everyone here to pay your car account??? Dude that is so imature Im sorry I didnt think you were so low but hey we learn everyday. Colonel.. You are 100% correct. and well said bud! Boys , go read the opening post. if you want to air dirty linen in public be prepared to take whats coming your way.
GreyOwl Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 I dont think CWC's account has anything to do with us, so a comment like that from Probike is uncalled for. However...as Omar pointed out, its bound to become a slug fest. And I look forward to all the sex scandals, bad language and "mother" calling to follow! But...if CWC are willing to sell stuff at decent prices...then I am willing to do business with them!! A little competition never hurt anyone...and if I can score RECORD out of it, great stuff!!
Tjokkits Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Two things matter to me when it comes to cycling componenents or any other imported stuff for that matter), a) my limited time and b) cash left in my back pocket. So, if you claim to be an agent, best u work out how to save my time (supply replacement parts in good time, paid for or under warranty irrelevant) and dont rip me off cause you think u have a monopoly - that NO LONGER EXIST - BUSINESS REALITY 101. If you call uself an agent you supply AND service at acceptable levels (spare parts & the works), otherwise please declare uself merely an "importer" providing "support"and parts on a best effort basis, and then u cant charge a X000 premuim for "support" that does not exist - dead simple. Dont tell me the criticall mass dont exist to keep parts, if so, you are a useless business person going into an unviable business proposition, under capitalised and not cabaple of buidling up and establishing a brand, and with that being the case I prefer to deal with the greater (worldwide - internet) network who can deliver into my (lesser) expectations. End of debate and cheers
Brandon Els Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Brandon' date=' that was so stupid! I have always been a good supporter of Raleigh and probike! Even bought my youngster a raleigh.But now that i've seen what attitude and kind of person you really are.... i wont spend another send on any probike product, neither refer anybody to!sh*t ambassador for probike![/quote'] Super, have you actually read the first posting? If you use somebody's capital then don't threaten them. Thats something thats had to be said in the SA bike industry for a long time. And seen that the first posting ventured into these waters. Yu might be interested to know the I just bought 2 x Hope stems and 5 x ODI grips from Chainreaction. A public forum is not a one way street. Consumers will always find value - that is a natural law. Happy new year and for actual bike talk visit my blog
goofs Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 [quote=Willehond Buy from a real shop like CWC. Cheap AND good service! Cant say i has the same CWC good service experience, put in an order for a tool set advertised on special together with a few other items. Received a mail stating they were out of stock with the tool set but would contact me when they had. Waited a week nothing, sent 2 follow up email's enquiring whats happening, to date still nothing.
Norris Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 [quote=Willehond Buy from a real shop like CWC. Cheap AND good service! Cant say i has the same CWC good service experience' date= put in an order for a tool set advertised on special together with a few other items. Received a mail stating they were out of stock with the tool set but would contact me when they had. Waited a week nothing, sent 2 follow up email's enquiring whats happening, to date still nothing. [/quote] I cant believe that. I mail chris last night for 2 tyre and he responded immediately. (while being on holiday)i'm sure there must have been a problem and your mail not gone through.
madmarc Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Brandon' date=' that was so stupid! I have always been a good supporter of Raleigh and probike! Even bought my youngster a raleigh.But now that i've seen what attitude and kind of person you really are.... i wont spend another send on any probike product, neither refer anybody to!sh*t ambassador for probike![/quote'] Super, have you actually read the first posting? If you use somebody's capital then don't threaten them. Thats something thats had to be said in the SA bike industry for a long time. And seen that the first posting ventured into these waters. Yu might be interested to know the I just bought 2 x Hope stems and 5 x ODI grips from Chainreaction. A public forum is not a one way street. Consumers will always find value - that is a natural law. Happy new year and for actual bike talk visit my blog Brandon lets face it buddy - you pushed the envelope here. CWC never named names, - you broadcast highly confidential info on a public platform which was uncalled for and highly unprofessional. In fact you did the Probike & Raleigh name a huge diservice here. Frankly if i were your boss i'd fire your ass for that comment, or at least (in terms of our labour laws) you would be up for a formal diciplinary.
Norris Posted January 2, 2008 Posted January 2, 2008 Excactly... Brandon, if i were your boss! Start finding a new job!And Brandon, lets make it easy, cant you give us some proof, or you also a puppet??
porky Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 I am very disappointed with Mr Els. Comments like that are defamatory,vindictive and contravene the supplier / customer code of ethics. .......Certainly changed my opinion of Pro -Bike as a company. On another point, I think we must be very carefull to differentuate between "GREY" and "PARALELL IMPORTS" - the former been imported through dubious channels, not paying duty or vat thereby giving the importer an unfair advantage in the market, it can occassionally also refer to counterfeight products, the latter is the same product from the same manufacturer just sourced through a differant channel and all duties ,vat etc is paid as per regulations - (ie) Original in every way, with no unfair advantage to the importer. Another point raised here was "b level" goods - I assume this to mean the same as "counterfeit" - simply because no manufacturer of original branded product will allow rejects or seconds into the market in any form or type. In my opinion there are very few "Counterfeit" products in existance in todays bicycle market, (in some markets like Sunglasses, watches, belts etc its still seen, but the market is changing quickly and high end cycles are a small market with a high risk for counterfeit product) anyway, most Asian manufacturers are so tied in with major manufacturing brands that they would never dare to chance manufacturing a "grey line" - it could mean the end to their business as there are also heavy financial,criminal penalties in the Asian market if caught doing this. porky2008-01-03 02:20:39
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