A question for those who run as well

[camerons]

I love Tim Noakes book on running. But how do I translate it to cycling? I think Im asking how many kms of cycling translate to one km of running as an equivalent in terms of effort/effect on the body ? 2km ? 4 km?

Marathon running is on tar roads so I guess Il have to settle for opinions as though it was on a smooth road, and not dirt.

 

1km of running = 8.27km of cycling on the road or 3.7689km of mountain biking or 0.125km fr swimming or 0.43km of walking

[Pronutro]

Cardio workout from cycling is higher, as you can maintain a 65-75% avg of max for hours at end on a bicycle, but not so when running as your body will bet tired from the weight bearing. Sure avg HR for a run is higher than a bike ride, but if only averages and not durations are taken into account ...

 

So does the least fit person get the most cardio training? Since they consistently maintain a higher heart rate than a fit person over a long duration of time.

 

Not comparing apples with apples, I know

[Agteros]

2011 Cape Gate Vaal 1/2 marathon - flat race - 1H40

Avg HR:161 bpm

Max HR:177 bpm

 

2012 Carnival City 103km - flat race - 2H40

Avg HR: 144 bpm

Max HR: 177 bpm

 

I was a lot fitter beginning of last year than this, but the above clearly shows the drafting effect on HR in the cycling event

Edited March 15, 2012 by HEman

[Agteros]

So does the least fit person get the most cardio training? Since they consistently maintain a higher heart rate than a fit person over a long duration of time. Not comparing apples with apples, I know

 

75% of max stays 75% of max, and the unfitter you are the shorter the time you'd be able to maintain it due to various things - amongst them being muscular strength as well as cardiovascular condition?

[Pronutro]

75% of max stays 75% of max, and the unfitter you are the shorter the time you'd be able to maintain it due to various things - amongst them being muscular strength as well as cardiovascular condition?

 

My comment was tongue in cheek

[Wyatt Earp]

My take on it, plain and simple and this is bike related, so apologies at the OP.

When the lungs run out before the legs, the it's time to work on the cardio, it must get to a point where the legs run out before the lungs.

From there one needs to concentrate on power.

Trust me (or not) you will fly.

[Let's Ride]

For me a 5km run is like a 100km cycle.

 

Maybe more like a 130km cycle.

 

And I do run to improve my cycling but it kills me. Legs sore the next day etc. With cycling you get to rest while with running you don't.

 

But I will always be a cyclist as to much running is bad for your joint's.

[Agteros]

My take on it, plain and simple and this is bike related, so apologies at the OP. When the lungs run out before the legs, the it's time to work on the cardio, it must get to a point where the legs run out before the lungs. From there one needs to concentrate on power. Trust me (or not) you will fly.

Yip, plain and simple. Goes for both running and cycling.

 

I'd add that to work on power you need to start with the core, but that might just have been the case for me, not for everybody. Core work made a huge difference to both running and cycling for me, and is what caused me to have semi-decent cycling results at the start of this year despite relatively little "training" time.

[Robrider]

For me a 5km run is like a 100km cycle. Maybe more like a 130km cycle. And I do run to improve my cycling but it kills me. Legs sore the next day etc. With cycling you get to rest while with running you don't. But I will always be a cyclist as to much running is bad for your joint's.

 

Sounds like you run too hard

[Agteros]

My comment was tongue in cheek

 

but... but... but... hubbers are ALWAYS serious

No hassle

 

For me a 5km run is like a 100km cycle. Maybe more like a 130km cycle. And I do run to improve my cycling but it kills me. Legs sore the next day etc. With cycling you get to rest while with running you don't. But I will always be a cyclist as to much running is bad for your joint's.

run properly cycling 'can' hurt your knees as well... technique and strength is everything!

[clyde79]

Yip, plain and simple. Goes for both running and cycling.

 

I'd add that to work on power you need to start with the core, but that might just have been the case for me, not for everybody. Core work made a huge difference to both running and cycling for me, and is what caused me to have semi-decent cycling results at the start of this year despite relatively little "training" time.

 

What training did you do to improve your core strength?

[Shebeen]

for me road riding:road running ~ 4:1

so a half marathon is like an 80km ride.

a full marathon is a tiny bit easier than the double century.

 

BU, if you push it on the run it hurts way more than pushing it on the ride.

[NotSoBigBen]

 

 

 

run properly cycling 'can' hurt your knees as well... technique and strength is everything!

 

Yip! Even bike setup can do that to you

[Agteros]

What training did you do to improve your core strength?

I went to a biokineticst, and did whatever they told me to do. Exercises changed every week due to weekly re-assessment (Lyno therapy). Just remember that core is more than just abs

[Let's Ride]

Give me a double century over any full marathon.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Dont forget the injury factor, running is much tougher on the hips and lower back, plus I cant remember ever running Comrades and not blackening and then losing at least one toe nail - that alone makes it tougher.!