Squier Posted November 1, 2012 Share Ok now that's getting stupid!Said it before, will say it again. People getting far too caught up in the LA angle, driven by emotion.Luckily though the broader issue of anti doping in sport is being brought the fore now. Then stop opening the thread, it's not that hard. Better than trying force censorship on those who are discussing the topic. And this wasn't done by Festina and Operation Puerto? From all accounts it seems that the major culture shift in the sport happened way before the USADA Lance bomb exploded. The only real effect this has had was that the 'the professional sport of bike racing' (Sherwen quote for effect) saw the back of some major sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted November 1, 2012 Share Yup, but the problem is that the contract stipulated that he had to be the official winner of the Tour, which he no longer is. I agree. But, my point is, at the time, the Lance camp claimed this as more proof that he was clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchisti Posted November 1, 2012 Share I agree. But, my point is, at the time, the Lance camp claimed this as more proof that he was clean. I was surprised by that line. I thought he had doping clauses in all his contracts/endorsements. What was "proof" that he was clean? Winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchisti Posted November 1, 2012 Share Aah you mean the fact that he won the case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 1, 2012 Share The Wiggo conspiracy holds no water. Might he have doped somewhere, who knows, anything is possible in the light of whats happened in this sport.Was his improvement from doping, no and the time lapse from his two great tours is enough of an indicator to show that hard work has payed off. Did it half kill him, I think so.He is already talking about helping Froome to get the top step. That's the problem with us regular fun riders.First mistake, we think by training hard alone is enough to get you to the top of the sport, but sorry to say, this is not the case, and when they don't succeed they think the super humans are naturally dopers. This is how it works, you get born with what your mamma and papa gave you.You have the choice to use this or not.Some get given more than others and some even more.Hard training then separates the men from the boys, these are the men we see at the top of our sport. Again some work harder than others, and yes somewhere along the line the drugs might creep in to try and get the edge. Bottom line, get born with talent, train hard and peoples jaws will drop. Now it's time to effing grow up and stop being so bloomin pessimistic man. Thats about the only part that I personally agree with, but a bit obvious though. Have to admit I am one of those guys that LA feel sorry for who "Can't dream big". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted November 1, 2012 Share I was surprised by that line. I thought he had doping clauses in all his contracts/endorsements. What was "proof" that he was clean? Winning? Maybe between Tailwind and Lance, but not between Tailwind and SCA. Most reports about that case mention that he won on a "technicality". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted November 1, 2012 Share Thats about the only part that I personally agree with, but a bit obvious though. Have to admit I am one of those guys that LA feel sorry for who "Can't dream big". I am not following, "I am one of those guys that LA feel sorry for " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRider Posted November 1, 2012 Share I am not following, "I am one of those guys that LA feel sorry for " It's from his TdF podium speech where he said he felt sorry for those who didn't believe in miracles, those who don't dream big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 1, 2012 Share I am not following, "I am one of those guys that LA feel sorry for " http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong round the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted November 1, 2012 Share I agree. But, my point is, at the time, the Lance camp claimed this as more proof that he was clean. That case will come back to haunt him because it is where he declared under oath that he never used PED's. Could end up in the same situation as Marion Jones charged with perjury. I know I sound like a broken record but this is not about LA it is about the total incompetence of the UCI to manage the sport properly. Bonus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield2010 Posted November 1, 2012 Share But he didnt test positive once??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted November 1, 2012 Share But he didnt test positive once??? His samples from 1999 tested positive for EPO............ BUT the test wasn't conducted to determine the use of PED, so technically you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1A104 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Dont know if this has been posted already, but couldnt resist... I actually dont care if he doped or not....one STILL needs a crap load of talent and determination to go where he has gone. Just la or any of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1A104 Posted November 1, 2012 Share But he didnt test positive once??? he did, but UCI made it go away and then he made a large "donation" to the UCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesme Posted November 1, 2012 Share Strange the UCI have not produced these past positive test yet to the public, with them having their biggest sharpest knife in for him atm. G he did, but UCI made it go away and then he made a large "donation" to the UCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1A104 Posted November 1, 2012 Share A bit extreme...uhm, very extreme... London - Stripped of his cycling medals over a doping scandal, disgraced US icon Lance Armstrong will suffer a fresh humiliation this weekend at the hands of an English town which will burn him in effigy. The nine metre steel-framed figure, dressed in a Tour de France leader's yellow jersey, will be torched on Saturday during the annual Guy Fawkes or Bonfire Night celebrations in Edenbridge in Kent, southeast England. Read more here:http://www.sport24.c...strong-20121031 Just like USADA, they are not picking on lancie. They burn an effigy of someone "famous" every year, this year they chose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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