'Dale Posted August 24, 2012 Share “I couldn’t give a damn,” said Bernard Hinault, himself a five-time Tour de France champion. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted August 24, 2012 Share Once the procedure this announcement sets in motion has run its full course, here’s what the Tour de France results will look like:1999: 1. Alex Zulle 2. Fernando Escartin 3. Laurent Dufaux2000: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Christophe Moreau2001: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Andrei Kivilev2002: 1. Joseba Beloki 2. Raimondas Rumsas 3. Santiago Botero2003: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Alexandre Vinokourov 3. Tyler Hamilton2004: 1. Andreas Klöden 2. Ivan Basso 3. Jan Ullrich2005: 1. Ivan Basso 2. Jan Ullrich Francisco Mancebo 3. Alexandre Vinokourov Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesme Posted August 24, 2012 Share Question Since the TdF is a European race, what authority does USAADA have over it, G Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Rat Posted August 24, 2012 Share Once the procedure this announcement sets in motion has run its full course, here’s what the Tour de France results will look like:1999: 1. Alex Zulle 2. Fernando Escartin 3. Laurent Dufaux2000: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Christophe Moreau2001: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Andrei Kivilev2002: 1. Joseba Beloki 2. Raimondas Rumsas 3. Santiago Botero2003: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Alexandre Vinokourov 3. Tyler Hamilton2004: 1. Andreas Klöden 2. Ivan Basso 3. Jan Ullrich2005: 1. Ivan Basso 2. Jan Ullrich Francisco Mancebo 3. Alexandre VinokourovAnd if I recall correctly it is only Beloki and Kloden that have not been banned at some stage in their careers. What a mess! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldGuy Posted August 24, 2012 Share Once the procedure this announcement sets in motion has run its full course, here’s what the Tour de France results will look like:1999: 1. Alex Zulle 2. Fernando Escartin 3. Laurent Dufaux2000: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Christophe Moreau2001: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Joseba Beloki 3. Andrei Kivilev2002: 1. Joseba Beloki 2. Raimondas Rumsas 3. Santiago Botero2003: 1. Jan Ullrich 2. Alexandre Vinokourov 3. Tyler Hamilton2004: 1. Andreas Klöden 2. Ivan Basso 3. Jan Ullrich2005: 1. Ivan Basso 2. Jan Ullrich Francisco Mancebo 3. Alexandre Vinokourov Not sure about Rumsas, my memory is poor right now and without looking at the history I was under the impression he was also banned. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted August 24, 2012 Share Part of an interview between USADA and VeloNews. Quite telling. Think he slipped up here (USADA) VN: There was reportedly a lot of evidence in the case, there was witness testimony and presumably more…do you expect any of those details to emerge? TT: Yes, absolutely…at the right time. Obviously there are other cases that are alleged to be involved in the conspiracy. Their cases are still proceeding, so it will be in due course. VN: So there is no impediment to USADA releasing the evidence? TT: No, no. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted August 24, 2012 Share Rumsas had finished third just days before his wife got done at a border point. The dope, apparently, was for his asthmatic mom-in-law... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOldGuy Posted August 24, 2012 Share Rumsas had finished third just days before his wife got done at a border point. The dope, apparently, was for his asthmatic mom-in-law... Ah Yeah, I remember now. He was caught later though wasn't he?,.... doping I mean. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted August 24, 2012 Share How so, Cpt? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted August 24, 2012 Share How so, Cpt? Sorry... Context. Since LA has now stopped contesting, UASDA & WADA need to submit a report to UCI in order to motivate the stripping of titles and banning of LA, including a rationalization of the charges as well as all evidence pertaining to the trial... Edit: seeing as there are still ongoing trials, it seems as if the stripping and/or banning cannot go forward ito UCI sanctioned events. Edited August 24, 2012 by cptmayhem Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted August 24, 2012 Share If Lance doped and didn't test + , then everybody else could also be on something. He still kicked their asses Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted August 24, 2012 Share Interesting read: http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/which-lance-armstrong Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted August 24, 2012 Share And if I recall correctly it is only Beloki and Kloden that have not been banned at some stage in their careers. What a mess! Mess indeed... :-( Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco-fiets Posted August 24, 2012 Share I reckon UCI and USADA should stand in line sucking him off for all he has done for the sport HowellingWulf 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flymango Posted August 24, 2012 Share Interesting comment, and one which is relevant to this. The Truth and Reconciliation committee (love it or hate it) had a simple approach. In exchange for telling the full truth, no matter how heinous, you would not be tried for the crimes you committed. It allowed for murderers on both sides to escape punishment but at least some light was shone on dirty deeds. Jonathan Vaughters has supported the idea of a TRC for cycling and maybe it is a way for the book to be closed on the last few years where doping sophistication really made a difference to performance. Yip, unfortunately it seems that cycling will for the time being be tarnished as being rotten to the core. So wipe the slate clean and let's start afresh, I say. Can you imagine - a whole lot of PDC's? Not park distance control but previously disadvantaged cyclists. A very sad day for cycling indeed. Reminds of how I felt when the Hansie-gate saga exploded. And I forgave him in my own mind and still believe he was our greatest cricket captain and a role model and idol for many. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chain-L Posted August 24, 2012 Share Dont understand. Get caught while you are a pro rider, get a two year ban. Get people saying that you doped, get a lifetime ban and stripped of 7 titles and the people that are now the winners have all been caught at some stage of their careers. This is a disgrace, even if lance was positive. Rather focus on going forward than to dig up the past and tarnish a person that has done more for the sport and other great causes than all of the guys that placed second in the 7 years combined. Edited August 24, 2012 by Chain-L Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/57/#findComment-1758596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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