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[GoLefty!!]

but the rules are not written that way.

[eddy]

 

 

but what defines cheating today and what it defined yesterday has changed, and i'm just saying because we realise today that product gives you an advantage over someone else should not allow us to define today it as a drug, now develop tests to proof that mr X used it in last weeks race, thus he was cheating.

 

another analogy, allot of us is using 32GI, what says next week someone end proofing it gives us an advantage over someone not using it, so the USADA in their wisdom decides to define it as a drug, now 2 months from now they find a test to show who was using it, and then go and retrospectively proof that that race you did last year, you used 32GI and was cheating

 

I am not sure what you are trying to say. Earlier you were against restrospective testing with new methods and now you argue against restrospective banning of substances.

 

EPO has always been banned, even though in the early years its use was undetectable.

 

Retrospective banning of substances is not done. it is only illegal after its listing.

Edited November 10, 2012 by eddy

[Lucky Luke.]

I don't mind a interesting discussion, but quote the entire posting.

 

I'm just saying, because we change the rules in 5 months from now, does not give us the right then to go back and apply those new rules to actions in the past.

 

G

 

Based on your statements

 

1. I think you've totally missed the point of retrospective testing. The point is to test for substances banned at the time, when new testing methods are developed. For example AICAR - widely believed to be in use by the peloton. Right now there's no effective test for it. Synthetic haemoglobins and new forms of EPO would be other examples. The riders are likely using them now because they know they can get away with it. 5 years time? Probably not.

 

http://tourdejose.co...raceable-drugs/

 

2. 32GI is not and never will be banned so this is a completely outlandish 'analogy' in my view. A child-friendly low GI energy drink? Good luck winning the tour de france with that.

 

In the case of retrospective testing, the UCI has consistently acted as a roadblock to combatting new forms of doping, where the anti-doping agencies have tried to keep up with the peloton's dope doctors.

 

 

... this (AICAR) could be an ideal drug for endurance sports, like cycling, also because it burns fat, and the AFLD informed WADA about it. And in cycling power to weight is incredibly important so losing a few pounds can gain you an advantage. The World Doping Authorization included it into their Prohibited List and that was that?

 

No. At the 2009 tour, the French anti-doping organization AFLD trashed bins and reportedly found remnants of drugs that were “unlicensed”: third generation EPO, also known as Hematide, and AICAR. “These are products that shouldn’t be found around people who are supposed to be in good health,” AFLD scientific adviser Michel Rieu said. The AFLD wanted to run more tests on the 2009 urine samples from the Tour but UCI held these samples and didn’t grant permission for re-analysis, Le Monde wrote on July, 28.

 

More here :

http://road.cc/content/news/9522-uci-dismisses-afld-tour-report-while-afld-boss-says-two-new-drugs-used-2009-tour

 

The UCI is not interested in cleaning up the sport:

 

For his part the AFLD boss told Le Monde that he was convinced that two new drugs were being used at this year's Tour, flatly contradicting the UCI's assertion in August that the 2009 edition of the race was clean. Speaking to Le Monde Bordry suggested that his organisation had clear evidence of blood transfusions taking place and he suggested that riders were already using Hematide, a third generation EPO derivative which won't actually be licensed for use until 2011 but which is already on WADA's banned list, and Aicar, a product that works on muscular tissue to promote the burning of fats. According to Le Monde, Bordry was shocked at how thin some Tour riders were this year.

Edited November 11, 2012 by Lucky Luke.

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[mazambaan]

"This too shall pass". KE. I think he must be under big pressure and stress to make this sort of tweet but I feel for him. One day (and test; not directed at KE) at a time.

['Dale]

 

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Hmm...

[goya-goya]

Based on your statements

 

1. I think you've totally missed the point of retrospective testing. The point is to test for substances banned at the time, when new testing methods are developed. For example AICAR - widely believed to be in use by the peloton. Right now there's no effective test for it. Synthetic haemoglobins and new forms of EPO would be other examples. The riders are likely using them now because they know they can get away with it. 5 years time? Probably not.

 

http://tourdejose.co...raceable-drugs/

 

2. 32GI is not and never will be banned so this is a completely outlandish 'analogy' in my view. A child-friendly low GI energy drink? Good luck winning the tour de france with that.

 

In the case of retrospective testing, the UCI has consistently acted as a roadblock to combatting new forms of doping, where the anti-doping agencies have tried to keep up with the peloton's dope doctors.

 

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More here :

http://road.cc/conte...-used-2009-tour

 

The UCI is not interested in cleaning up the sport:

 

 

 

Ouch dude... so you think its impossible to win without doping!? so much for Cadel, Bradley and chris being clean... perhaps you too ride professionally... I guess you never win either... because you dont dope!

[ThaStig]

I am concerned by the lack of comment by some of the top pro's (only Robbie H (AFAIK)commented; no surprise there; and KE )

I hope I'm wrong but there must be some nervous guys out there waiting for the fallout from DG's hearing.

Edited November 11, 2012 by ThaStig

[scooby15]

Rapport today said KE was limited as to what to say in his statement by Nedbank

[nickc]

What about KE join RE:CM ?

 

 

There are a couple of teams now which KE could look at or would be keen to have KE. Looking at RE:CM`s website they are looking at having a 5 rider team for 2013.

[rock]

saw the man sipping coffee at Vide on the weekend......seems he has a little one on the way too (?) bad timing.

[scotty]

I am concerned by the lack of comment by some of the top pro's (only Robbie H (AFAIK)commented; no surprise there; and KE )

I hope I'm wrong but there must be some nervous guys out there waiting for the fallout from DG's hearing.

Burry, Impey, Lange have also commented.

[Tumbleweed]

saw the man sipping coffee at Vide on the weekend......seems he has a little one on the way too (?) bad timing.

 

Yup. Heard that from someone who raced with him.

[Stretch]

Ouch dude... so you think its impossible to win without doping!?

 

you totally misinterpreted what he said there

[Andrew Steer]

Burry, Impey, Lange have also commented.

Suzi, Knox, Shan Wilson too... but does that mean they're clean? Nope.

[GLuvsMtb]

Suzi, Knox, Shan Wilson too... but does that mean they're clean? Nope.

Yip - often the biggest howlers are just as guilty. SA Mountain biking may be in for a rough ride over the next few months.