weekly tss score

[Bianchisti]

Q1, I think you FTP are set way to low, especially if you say that you are only in zone 2 and zone 3. I've done no specific testing with my powercal, however I do use it on my mtb, too keep track of my tss.

 

 

I played around with the FTP till the TSS read 35 in the poweragent software and I also multiplied NP by 0.05 and the resultant FTP is about the same.

 

Q2. well if your heart rate are in the "red" zone, but power in much lower, it only means. you are getting a heart attack, or your settings are incorrect.

 

I re-did the 20 minute workout today and it did feel like I was getting a heart attack. I started out looking at the power I was pushing and it felt like my legs was going to blow after 5 minutes. So I switched to a easier gear which sent the speed and HR through the roof.

 

I think all this might have something to do with my skinny legs. I doubt I push high power numbers when compared to most other riders. I know this is to compare me to me. So I reckon tomorrow I will redo the 20 minutes to better simulate the last 20 minute test where my average speed was much higher. That was done with the powercal though. So I will basically start all over using the real PM and that will be the benchmark. Also my first 20 minute test with the real PM was done on a straight stretch of road and my FTP seem to be higher that time. This time on the IDT the FTP seems lower. But from here I will only test on the IDT. Kapeesh!

[Bianchisti]

I dont have a distribution graph with me atm, but see how my power follow my hr, even though I believe in power training, rather than HR.

 

I agree there is a correlation between HR and power, which is where the powercal algorythm comes from. But the difference for me is that the powercal didn't measure the power coming out of my legs. Because my HR is genetically elevated, it gives much higher power numbers measured of HR than what is accurately measured at my legs.

[Jakkals.]

FTP test performed on an IDT can be almost 20% lower than performed outdoors at the same RPE.

 

You should only consider doing another FTP if you are fresh.

 

Check that your FTP are correctly set in your Garmin.

[Jakkals.]

I agree there is a correlation between HR and power, which is where the powercal algorythm comes from. But the difference for me is that the powercal didn't measure the power coming out of my legs. Because my HR is genetically elevated, it gives much higher power numbers measured of HR than what is accurately measured at my legs.

 

But if you have an estimated FTHR and FTP, irrespective if the one is high compared to the other. Zones should still be almost similar.

[Eugene Oppelt]

I played around with the FTP till the TSS read 35 in the poweragent software and I also multiplied NP by 0.05 and the resultant FTP is about the same.

 

 

 

I re-did the 20 minute workout today and it did feel like I was getting a heart attack. I started out looking at the power I was pushing and it felt like my legs was going to blow after 5 minutes. So I switched to a easier gear which sent the speed and HR through the roof.

 

I think all this might have something to do with my skinny legs. I doubt I push high power numbers when compared to most other riders. I know this is to compare me to me. So I reckon tomorrow I will redo the 20 minutes to better simulate the last 20 minute test where my average speed was much higher. That was done with the powercal though. So I will basically start all over using the real PM and that will be the benchmark. Also my first 20 minute test with the real PM was done on a straight stretch of road and my FTP seem to be higher that time. This time on the IDT the FTP seems lower. But from here I will only test on the IDT. Kapeesh!

 

Rather take a few days to rest before you next FTP run?

It'll be a more reliable effort if you are 'fully' rested.

[Bianchisti]

You should only consider doing another FTP if you are fresh.

 

 

 

Rather take a few days to rest before you next FTP run?

It'll be a more reliable effort if you are 'fully' rested.

 

FTP for that 20 minutes is low NO? Wouldn't I be okay tomorrow afternoon? I'm more concerned about this bottle of RED I'm about to klap! :-)

[Bianchisti]

FTP test performed on an IDT can be almost 20% lower than performed outdoors at the same RPE.

 

 

That's weird but sounds about right. Why is that?

 

On the IDT I averaged about 52km/h to give me an average wattage of just over 200. On the road I averaged 34 but the wattage was about 220??

[V12man]

That's weird but sounds about right. Why is that?

 

On the IDT I averaged about 52km/h to give me an average wattage of just over 200. On the road I averaged 34 but the wattage was about 220??

 

You probably don't have enough resistance set on your IDT - you will likely always see differences between road and IDT sessions - even at the same perceived intensity - jack the trainer resistance up and gear down a bit to get cadence (speed) into the desired range for comparison.

 

If you increase the amount of cooling you get by adding fans on the IDT, it gets closer to outdoor numbers, and I suspect muscle cooling contributed - but I have not seen any science that confirms that (or denies either) so it remains a suspicion.

[Bianchisti]

 

You probably don't have enough resistance set on your IDT - you will likely always see differences between road and IDT sessions - even at the same perceived intensity - jack the trainer resistance up and gear down a bit to get cadence (speed) into the desired range for comparison.

 

If you increase the amount of cooling you get by adding fans on the IDT, it gets closer to outdoor numbers, and I suspect muscle cooling contributed - but I have not seen any science that confirms that (or denies either) so it remains a suspicion.

Agreed. Think I have to find a gear/cadence I can push for 20 minutes around my threshold so will look at the road test parameters and simulate that. Today's test was mostly in the endurance zone (that's no good) with bits in the threshold area. It's time I push less granny gears so onto a threshold improvement plan first up. Will see if I can figure that out.

 

It was 15 degrees outside around midday in Jozi today an I was still sweating like a pig without the moving air.

 

Can't believe how low I've been working in the zones actually. Thanks for all your comments guys. Think I'll do some climbing tomorrow and have a closer look at the zones I'm in. Save the test for another day.

 

 

[V12man]

Agreed. Think I have to find a gear/cadence I can push for 20 minutes around my threshold so will look at the road test parameters and simulate that. Today's test was mostly in the endurance zone (that's no good) with bits in the threshold area. It's time I push less granny gears so onto a threshold improvement plan first up. Will see if I can figure that out.

 

It was 15 degrees outside around midday in Jozi today an I was still sweating like a pig without the moving air.

 

Can't believe how low I've been working in the zones actually. Thanks for all your comments guys. Think I'll do some climbing tomorrow and have a closer look at the zones I'm in. Save the test for another day.

 

It does take a bit of practice to get your pacing right during the test (3 - 5 tests) - and you should always follow the standard Hunter/Alan protocol of doing the test - I have this setup as a garmin workout if someone wants a pre-built one, happy to share it.

 

It also helps to get some cheer leaders during the test - a bit of verbal and non verbal encouragement does wonders.

[G e r h a r d Odendaal]

 

 

It does take a bit of practice to get your pacing right during the test (3 - 5 tests) - and you should always follow the standard Hunter/Alan protocol of doing the test - I have this setup as a garmin workout if someone wants a pre-built one, happy to share it.

 

It also helps to get some cheer leaders during the test - a bit of verbal and non verbal encouragement does wonders.

 

There are good people on the Hub and there are some that are not. You're a good person.

[Jakkals.]

Weekly TSS, 567.

[Eugene Oppelt]

Weekly TSS, 567.

 

Was wondering when you're gonna have an easier week on your prep for the Giro

[Smartie]

Weekly TSS: 746 (but not much during the week, skewed with 310 on Sunday)

[Jakkals.]

Was wondering when you're gonna have an easier week on your prep for the Giro

 

hahah, I had a 2 active recovery rides(32&25) on tuesday and thursday.

 

Then a mtb stage race on saturday and sunday. 60km(318) and 36km(191)(shorter due to weather conditions)

[Jakkals.]

Stock take this weekend, dont expect to much from me on monday morning.