LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[htone]

 

Along those lines, have any of you found that you feel tipsy a lot quicker but the alcohol wears off a lot faster? I don't normally drink more than 1 or 2 beers/glasses of wine occasionally but when I do I can feel it after a few sips. On sat I drank substantially more than that but didn't feel like I got any more drunk as the night went on.

 

Well done on your progress - that's inspirational stuff right there !

 

On the tipsy part - I don't drink (just out of choice) and haven't had a drink in yonks, so this is probably more the reason for what follows than LCHF...

We got invited to a surprise birthday gig of a friend recently - it was all hush-hush as it was to be a surprise for everyone. Turns out that it was a beer tasting experience. Not being one to be the stick in the mud, I went along with this and tasted 6 different beers - I think the tasting glasses held about 150ml of beer each. By number 4 I was thinking that I should take up drinking as a sport and by number 6 I was about ready to dance on the counter....

Anyways... how I felt later on and the next day, made that one of those "note to self" occasions. I can well imagine that my LCHF status had a part to play. Or that's my story and I am sticking to it !

[htone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwvcrA7oe8

 

Gotta love the way in which he explains things so that even I can understand !

Good post, thanks !

[Topwine]

Peter Attia video

 

One thing to keep in mind on referencing someone as Peter Attia and omitting others, is that Peter Attia admitted that he either skipped classes on nutrition in medschool or not paid attention at all ! He only recently started his research into the field and is on a very short journey where he himself is still busy experimenting on himself with his ketosis not even 6 months long. He also admits to not having figured it out yet.

 

Dr. Ray Peat on the other hand has studied, researched and practised nutrition and physiology for more than 40 years ! He is currently 76 years old and look great. He also still has most of his hair !

[Topwine]

 

" But worldwide, only a third of adults can actually digest lactose, the sugar in milk. "

 

 

They say a lie (or myth in this case) can travel around the world before the truth can even get it's shoes on ...

 

Ray Peat on the milk myth:

 

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/milk.shtml

 

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n a recent study of 69,796 hospitalized newborns, a diagnosis of cow's milk allergy was made in 0.21% of them. Among those whose birthweight had been less than a kilogram, 0.35% of them were diagnosed with the milk allergy. Gastrointestinal symptoms were the main reason for the diagnosis, but a challenge test to confirm the diagnosis was used in only 15% of the participating hospitals, and a lymphocyte stimulation test was used in only 5.5% of them (Miyazawa, et al., 2009). There are many publications about milk allergies, but they generally involve a small group of patients, and the tests they use are rarely evaluated on healthy control subjects.

Several surveys have found that of children who have a diagnosed milk allergy, about 2/3 of them grow out of the allergy.

People who have told me that they have had digestive problems with milk have sometimes found that a different brand of milk doesn't cause any problem.

Milk with reduced fat content is required by US law to have vitamins D and A added. The vehicle used in the vitamin preparation, and the industrial contaminants in the “pure” vitamins themselves, are possible sources of allergens in commercial milk, so whole milk is the most likely to be free of allergens.

A thickening agent commonly used in milk products, carrageenan, is a powerful allergen that can cause a “pseudo-latex allergy” (Tarlo, et al., 1995). It is a sulfated polysaccharide, structurally similar to heparin. There are good reasons to think that its toxic effects are the result of disturbance of calcium metabolism (see for example Abdullahi, et al., 1975; Halici, et al., 2008; Janaswamy and Chandrasekaran, 2008).

Besides the idea of milk allergy, the most common reason for avoiding milk is the belief that the genes of some ethnic groups cause them to lack the enzyme, lactase, needed to digest milk sugar, lactose, and that this causes lactose intolerance, resulting in gas or diarrhea when milk is consumed. Tests have been reported in which a glass of milk will cause the lactase deficient people to have abdominal pain. However, when intolerant people have been tested, using milk without lactose for comparison, there were no differences between those receiving milk with lactose or without it. The “intolerant” people consistently tolerate having a glass with each meal.

When a group of lactase deficient people have been given some milk every day for a few weeks, they have adapted, for example with tests showing that much less hydrogen gas was produced from lactose by intestinal bacteria after they had adapted (Pribila, et al., 2000).

[Helpmytrap]

Apparently a cheese fondue isn't all too keto-friendly. Only measured trace this morning while I was above ++ before dinner last night, oops.

[htone]

Too much of a good thing

[Helpmytrap]

But I had it with oopsie bread and then I also had some oopsie bread with double thick cream. So I had variety, couldn't have been too much.

[jcza]

@Topwine, at the moment I feel the same as you did. When I leave the house for a ride my legs feel heavy and sore, it takes about 30-45min before they get going and then I still can't really push hard. And as expected, I cant maintain sprint efforts for very long before practically grinding to a halt. Most of today I've been wondering/contemplating if I should maybe not revert to paleo.

 

Had the same HMT then found that adding some carbs (butternut, pumpkin etc) the night before and a hotcross bun or muffin for breakfast helped me. Currently I'm following Friel & Courdain more than strict LCHF. On LCHF I was able to ride far but not fast.

[htone]

From Mark's Daily Apple, an excerpt from The Paleo Primer. Simple, 40 minute chicken curry.

Nom nom.

 

[Helpmytrap]

Reintroduced milk to my diet today, albeit only 100ml. Changed over from BP coffee to fat shake. Best part is that my postprandial BG was 4.4.

[P.A.K.]

EDIT: repost

Edited August 12, 2013 by P.A.K.

[Topwine]

Reintroduced milk to my diet today, albeit only 100ml. Changed over from BP coffee to fat shake. Best part is that my postprandial BG was 4.4.

 

I think it's a better choice, however would not put in flaxseed oil as its very high in PUFA's, which is toxic.

 

I make my coffee with only milk to which I add sugar, coconut oil and salt. Much more healthy.

[Helpmytrap]

I think it's a better choice, however would not put in flaxseed oil as its very high in PUFA's, which is toxic.

 

I make my coffee with only milk to which I add sugar, coconut oil and salt. Much more healthy.

No flaxseed, just coconut oil, butter, double thick cream, a little coffee and milk. Oh, and two egg yolks.

[Cuppa Bru]

I think it's a better choice, however would not put in flaxseed oil as its very high in PUFA's, which is toxic.

 

I make my coffee with only milk to which I add sugar, coconut oil and salt. Much more healthy.

 

http://www.marksdail.../#axzz2bmfIMh6n

 

Flaxseed oil tastes offensive and my digestive system hits the eject button every time I add it to my morning coffee.

Glad to hear I no longer have to feel guilty about giving the half-empty bottle in my fridge the cold shoulder.

 

EDIT: Topwine, thanks for asking questions and your contrarian/devil's advocate stance. It's easier to go with what the majority of people are saying, but that doesn't make conventional wisdom right: Flaxseed advice being a case in point.

Edited August 12, 2013 by schweinehund

[Helpmytrap]

Quick question, what does it mean if dietary fibre is higher than total carbs on a nutrition label? That there is more carbs that they let on (ie net carbs) or..? I'm referring to Woolworths frozen Petit Pois (peas) which are 5g carbs, 1.5g sugars and 9.4g fibre per 100g.

[Cuppa Bru]

Quick question, what does it mean if dietary fibre is higher than total carbs on a nutrition label? That there is more carbs that they let on (ie net carbs) or..? I'm referring to Woolworths frozen Petit Pois (peas) which are 5g carbs, 1.5g sugars and 9.4g fibre per 100g.

 

Some labels differentiate between digestible carbs and fibres (non-digestible, for humans at least).

So your peas have a total carb content of 14.4g (5g digestible + 9.4g non-digestible), of which 1.5g is sugar.