LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[Helpmytrap]

Yes, in excess.

 

Us Paleo people still have an abundance of natural fibre from vegetables and fruit. No need for any more if you're eating healthy quantities of real, whole, natural food.

To put it into perspective though,

 

Myth #1: For maximum health, obtain 30 to 40 g of fiber daily from fresh fruits and vegetables.

 

Reality: Here is how many fresh fruits you’ll need to eat throughout the day in order to obtain those 30 to 40 grams (1-1.4 oz.) of daily fiber:

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As you can see, that comes to five apples, three pears, and two oranges. A small apple contains 3.6 g of fiber and 15.5 g of sugars. A small pear—4.6 g and 14.5 g; and a small orange—2.3 g and 11.3 g, respectively (USDA National Nutrient Database; NDB #s: 09003; 09200; 09252 [link]).

 

These ten small (not medium or large) fruits will provide you with 36.4 g of indigestible fiber and a whopping 143.6 g of digestible sugars, or an equivalent of that many (ten) tablespoons of plain table sugar!

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MDA2008/MDA%202012/spoons.png

And that‘s before accounting for all the other carbs consumed throughout the day for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and from snacks and beverages.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Helpmytrap

[tombeej]

Hells bells, is that how much fibre we're apparently supposed to eat daily? Who comes up with this crap?

[tombeej]

A couple of days ago I got into a debate (argument) at the office with a couple of folks who insisted that there's nothing wrong with grains, and that wholewheat bread is healthy, commercial muesli is healthy, margarine is healthy (butter is not), eat lots of wheatbix and high fibre bran... (you know the story).

 

So I decided to try educate them about grains. Here are two of the links I emailed them to read:

 

Mark Sisson: Why grains are unhealthy:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz2dGJ0jdiB

 

Grains and inflammation – ‘What’s wrong with grains’:

http://paleodietlifestyle.com/what-is-wrong-with-grains/

 

Glad to see they're seeing the light now. They are asking me questions now, wanting to know more about the 'gross' coconut oil I put in my hot drinks, and so on. Good to see .

[Helpmytrap]

Yeah, if you read the article it came from a crazy man by the name of Kellogg (if you believe the story)

 

“Dr. Kellogg was obsessed with chastity and constipation. True to principle, he never made love to his wife. To “remedy” the sin of masturbation, he advocated circumcision without anaesthetic for boys, and mutilation of the clitoris with carbolic acid for girls. He blamed constipation for “nymphomania” in women, and lust in men, because, according to Kellogg, impacted stools inside one’s rectum were stimulating the prostate gland and the female vagina into sexual proclivity.”

 

"However, the ultimate fame and money came to Dr. Kellogg not from crusading against sex, but from ready-to-eat morning cereals after he found that baking bran into cereals proved to be incredibly profitable for Kellogg Company. From that point on, it took another sixty years or so of relentless brainwashing to turn what once used to be a dirt-cheap livestock feed into a premium health food."

[Helpmytrap]

It was is also interesting that he mentioned yesterday that wheat from way back was just as allergenic as today's dwarf wheat. - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gluten-free-fad/

 

"All that hubbub about modern dwarf wheat being more allergenic than ever is also nonsense. Besides needing a stool to reach the top shelf, modern wheat is totally identical to older wheat and is no more allergenic."

[davetapson]

Two weeks on a training course away from home - much as I tried I could not control my diet simply due to the fact that I was part of a group that had lunch and dinner together. On the weekends I stayed with either my carb-loving family or a vegetarian friend. Many of the lunches consisted of either pizza, tramezinni or sandwhices and although I tried to grab only those that contained fatty fillings, I paid the price. By the first weekend I had developed a distinct rash on my face - something that my brother gets as well, but he called it a "winter rash". I put two and two together and figured it was from the wheat, cut all the wheat in the second week and three days later the rash was gone!

 

I picked up 1.5kg in the first 9 days, but by simply avoiding wheat and by supplementing my breakfast with good doses of full cream, I managed to run a slightly better Fat : Carbs ratio and I am now 2kg down. Admittedly I was eating very little in the end, but I could no longer live with the side effects like the rash, like the energy dips and just not feeling on top of the world.

 

I also stopped drinking coffee altogether in week 2 and I think that also made a huge difference in my energy levels being more constant - and even in the weight situation maybe. Much as I planned for this trip, several things happened that I could not comfortably get around : the fact that we ate together as a group made my situation quite uncomfortable and it would have appeared rude if I insisted on eating my own food. My vegetarian friend cannot stand the smell of cooked meat so even though I took ample meat (frozen) with me, I wasn't able to cook it. My family, in spite of being quite aware of my dietary preferences, insisted on eating ultra high carb while I was there, almost as if they were trying to prove to me that I had it wrong and they had it right.

 

Anyways, it is good to be home and to be able to focus on a more healthy way of eating again. My weight is now continuing to track down, so I am going to keep that momentum going. I thought I'd share this with you as we have discussed the short stay trips and how you get around that, but this proved to be quite another challenge !

 

Have a great day !

 

Yeh - trying to be sociably acceptable and LCHF can be tricky. My downfalls are always holidays away with my extended family - and they are aware of the fact that I like to eat LCHF and reasonably supportive of it. But when breakfast is 'healthy' cereals and yoghurt (flavoured, sweetened) it makes it hard to skulk off and cook eggs etc. Even with the best intentions, after a day or two I'm having some of this and some of that and two or three days down the line I've got reflux again and not feeling so good.

 

Seems to take some time to recover from a few days off LCHF as well. I reckon its 10days or so till I'm fully back on track.

 

Although as time goes by, I learn that it's not worth doing the higher carb thing and I stray less each time. We have to learn the hard way I suppose.

 

Got some kefir grains from Mr Schweinehund - looking forward to indulging my dairy habit again...

[Conrad_S]

Hi guys,

 

Been lurking for quite some time and eating LCHF quite religiously for about 3 months. I don't bother to much about numbers and stuff, but I do have a batch of KetoStix.

 

Long and short is that I have lost about 7 kgs so far (112-105kgs). Not battling to much but I did get kicked out of Keto this last week due to a bachelors party overindulgence and a blooper with a "potjiekos" and leached carbs - happens so quick.

 

My fiance on the other hand is really battling and I think I need to enlist professional help or some other expert, anyone have leads on a LCHF pro in the Cape Town area? Unicorn?

[Cuppa Bru]

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My fiance on the other hand is really battling and I think I need to enlist professional help or some other expert, anyone have leads on a LCHF pro in the Cape Town area? Unicorn?

 

Chicks are much more sensitive to carbs than guys. She might have to restrict carbs even further (<30gr/day).

Get your wife to diarise her food intake for a week and then you'll know where her carbs come from and where to cut them out.

 

Weight isn't the be all and end all as your wife could be putting off fat, but putting on muscle. Keeping track of one's waistline is an easy way to confirm this.

Good luck.

[Marge]

http://www.paleoplan...ling-of-coffee/

 

What do you guys think about this post? Could be the reason for my struggle with weight loss on LCHF seeing that I have a minimum of 6 cups of coffee a day?

 

So since Monday I have decided to start fresh with LCHF as if I'm doing it for the first time. I also reduced my coffee to only one cup in the morning when I wake up, and even with one cup a day a had terrible caffeine withdrawal headaches. But from tomorrow I will try to go 100% caffeine free, only Rooibos from now on. So let see if can do this for at least a month and if it has any positive effects.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Marge

[Marge]

Just realised the coke zero I just had also contains caffeine

[Roux 1]

http://www.paleoplan...ling-of-coffee/

 

What do you guys think about this post? Could be the reason for my struggle with weight loss on LCHF seeing that I have a minimum of 6 cups of coffee a day?

 

So since Monday I have decided to start fresh with LCHF as if I'm doing it for the first time. I also reduced my coffee to only one cup in the morning when I wake up, and even with one cup a day a had terrible caffeine withdrawal headaches. But from tomorrow I will try to go 100% caffeine free, only Rooibos from now on. So let see if can do this for at least a month and if it has any positive effects.

 

Great info::: I recently asked the question about coffee consumption. I drink too much coffee :ph34r: I thought I must cut back on the amount of cream and coconut oil I add to every cup -- weight loss plateau-- did not work. this confirms that..cortisol can be a blik

 

Apparently decaf coffee does also not work.. Is it true?

[Cuppa Bru]

http://www.paleoplan...ling-of-coffee/

 

What do you guys think about this post? Could be the reason for my struggle with weight loss on LCHF seeing that I have a minimum of 6 cups of coffee a day?

...

 

I'm at odds with her "80% of America consumes caffeine/ 60% of America is overweight" statement which confuses correlation with causation.

Gary Taubes mentions that a lot of studies confuse the two in order to arrive at pre-conceived notions.

 

If I were you, I'd worry more about carbs' effects on your blood sugar (and energy levels) than caffeine.

Good luck with LCHF.

[Marge]

 

Apparently decaf coffee does also not work.. Is it true?

 

According to wikipedia "Almost all brands of decaffeinated coffee still contain caffeine.^[1] Drinking five to ten cups of decaffeinated coffee could deliver as much caffeine as would one or two cups of regular coffee..."

[Helpmytrap]

I'm at odds with her "80% of America consumes caffeine/ 60% of America is overweight" statement which confuses correlation with causation.

Gary Taubes mentions that a lot of studies confuse the two in order to arrive at pre-conceived notions.

 

If I were you, I'd worry more about carbs' effects on your blood sugar (and energy levels) than caffeine.

Good luck with LCHF.

Also on average (that stats are based on), those that consume excessive amounts of coffee are usually those with stressful lives, be it at work or at home. And in general probably don't get as much sleep as they should which also leads to them consuming more food than they should, coincidentally junk food (excluding the sugar that they may be adding to their coffee.)

 

I'm not denying the fact that caffeine has many negative effects, and as some you have found that coffee had stalled your weight loss. All I'm saying is that there are loads to consider when you read these type of stats.

 

As for me, I can easily go without coffee and have found myself only having maximum 2 espressos a day, one in my fat shake in the morning and one post ride provided the machine is on.

Personally I don't know what people are talking about when they say coffee ups their energy as I have never experienced this, I'm one of those people that could have coffee immediately before bed without having trouble falling asleep. But as all of us know on this thread, different strokes for different folks.

[Cuppa Bru]

Was researching macro ratios for kefir and ended up on this gem for macros on many foods:

http://himolocarb.tripod.com/nutrival.htm

 

The link doesn't give the carb content of kefir, but the author states in one of his books that the nutritional information on shelves wrt carbs is often wrong due to the methodology used to arrive at carb content.

Supposedly the method is to measure water, ash, fat and protein content and the balance is calculated to be carbs.

Thus, eg. lactic acid in commercial kefir drinks is labelled as carbs.

 

Home-made kefir can be left to ferment as long as possible. And damn! It's tasty!

[HappyMartin]

 

 

Yeh - trying to be sociably acceptable and LCHF can be tricky. My downfalls are always holidays away with my extended family - and they are aware of the fact that I like to eat LCHF and reasonably supportive of it. But when breakfast is 'healthy' cereals and yoghurt (flavoured, sweetened) it makes it hard to skulk off and cook eggs etc. Even with the best intentions, after a day or two I'm having some of this and some of that and two or three days down the line I've got reflux again and not feeling so good.

 

Seems to take some time to recover from a few days off LCHF as well. I reckon its 10days or so till I'm fully back on track.

 

Although as time goes by, I learn that it's not worth doing the higher carb thing and I stray less each time. We have to learn the hard way I suppose.

 

Got some kefir grains from Mr Schweinehund - looking forward to indulging my dairy habit again...

 

I am shocking at socially acceptable. Turn up at braais and don't drink or eat meat. Avoid the chips and rolls as well at the moment. Makes people nuts. I don't get it. I don't give a dam what they stick in there faces. Why do they care what I don't stick in mine?