CSA / PPA. The Heat is on

[Icycling]

 

 

When one can't blame the PPA for the SA Cycling's ills any longer, bring in da family to complicate matters

 

When you been on the PPA committee for 18 years and been a licensed cyclist for about 29 years be it with SACF or CSA - you probably seen quite a lot of politics in cycling! Bottom line is the sport suffers as a whole I suppose like any family structure would suffer! But to move off analogies what ever PPA and CSA are trying to achieve with this new stunt will only put cycling further backward.

 

PPA may even win this battle in the courts but cycling will loose the war in the long run!

[Top Fuel]

I have tried to read this but could someone help me?

I live in Cape Town. I do quite a few PPA races per year. They no longer give you a CSA licence when you pay your yearly fee.

So is it true that I now have to pay PPA and get my CSA licence myself? Where do I get this licence?

Thanks.

[Wannabe]

I have tried to read this but could someone help me?

I live in Cape Town. I do quite a few PPA races per year. They no longer give you a CSA licence when you pay your yearly fee.

So is it true that I now have to pay PPA and get my CSA licence myself? Where do I get this licence?

Thanks.

 

You pay your R295.00 (R285.00 is if it's per Debit Order) to PPA, and on CSA website you pay your R75.00 (just remember to phone CSA confirming that your payment reflects, and that they "activate" your License, otherwise you will wait forever until your membership to a cycling club (if any) is confirmed.)

[Top Fuel]

 

 

You pay your R295.00 (R285.00 is if it's per Debit Order) to PPA, and on CSA website you pay your R75.00 (just remember to phone CSA confirming that your payment reflects, and that they "activate" your License, otherwise you will wait forever until your membership to a cycling club (if any) is confirmed.)

Thanks.

[Brogue]

When you been on the PPA committee for 18 years and been a licensed cyclist for about 29 years be it with SACF or CSA - you probably seen quite a lot of politics in cycling! Bottom line is the sport suffers as a whole I suppose like any family structure would suffer! But to move off analogies what ever PPA and CSA are trying to achieve with this new stunt will only put cycling further backward.

 

PPA may even win this battle in the courts but cycling will loose the war in the long run!

 

I don't disagree with you with regard to cycling being the ultimate loser, however CSA are the authors of their own misfortune in this instance. They are the antagonists, they walked away from the negotiating table, they provoked PPA who have a right to turn to the courts for redress, and they reneged on their original undertaking to PPA. Nobody can or should blame PPA for seeking judicial relief against the bullying CSA. PPA has 18300 members, and CSA 21000, yet PPA are only given 14/83 (17 percent) votes on the CSA board despite representing more than 85 percent of their members. I don't call this court action a "stunt", rather CSA forced PPA into a corner unilaterally so the latter used the only option available to protect the rights of it's members. The ball falls squarely into the court of CSA.

[Icycling]

I don't disagree with you with regard to cycling being the ultimate loser, however CSA are the authors of their own misfortune in this instance. They are the antagonists, they walked away from the negotiating table, they provoked PPA who have a right to turn to the courts for redress, and they reneged on their original undertaking to PPA. Nobody can or should blame PPA for seeking judicial relief against the bullying CSA. PPA has 18300 members, and CSA 21000, yet PPA are only given 14/83 (17 percent) votes on the CSA board despite representing more than 85 percent of their members. I don't call this court action a "stunt", rather CSA forced PPA into a corner unilaterally so the latter used the only option available to protect the rights of it's members. The ball falls squarely into the court of CSA.

 

NOT 100% true - I was still on the PPA committee (about this time last year) when CSA, SASCOC / Raymond Hack and the full PPA committee sat round the table and Raymond from SASCOC was very insistent that CSA had to use the constitution SACOC "gave " them CSA is as much a pawn in the equation as PPA is along with the cyclist themselves which ultimately is the most unfortunate part. I do how ever still feel if PPA were still spending money on racing cycling be it in the form of hosting an event like the Giro del Capo or like in the pasted helping directly with CSA selected rider who are both PPA members and CSA members with finances - be it world champs or something similar - SASCOC may be a little less heavy handed with CSA / PPA - thats just my belief and NOT fact!

[DJR]

NOT 100% true - I was still on the PPA committee (about this time last year) when CSA, SASCOC / Raymond Hack and the full PPA committee sat round the table and Raymond from SASCOC was very insistent that CSA had to use the constitution SACOC "gave " them CSA is as much a porn in the equation as PPA is along with the cyclist themselves which ultimately is the most unfortunate part. I do how ever still feel if PPA were still spending money on racing cycling be it in the form of hosting an event like the Giro del Capo or like in the pasted helping directly with CSA selected rider who are both PPA members and CSA members with finances - be it world champs or something similar - SASCOC may be a little less heavy handed with CSA / PPA - thats just my belief and NOT fact!

Sorry, couldn't help chuckling - gotta see the funny side of this, just have to!

Edited June 26, 2013 by DJR

[Icycling]

Sorry, couldn't help chuckling - gotta see the funny side of this, just have to!

 

This pawn was reffering to a chess board - 8 x porns (the cyclist) 1 x King (normally CSA or PPA in RSA) and 1x queen (normally CSA or PPA in RSA) etc! Ever played the game? But probably in RSA - SAACOC is Queen or king along with the UCI in world terms!

[Slowbee]

fixed

[Icycling]

fixed

 

Thanks! I never said I could spell so I googled "porn in chess" and a lot came up!!! So just assumed ...

['Dale]

When does proceedings start?

[Java001]

When does proceedings start?

 

I suppose much in this thread is small picture stuff, which does not mean that it is less important, but simply that the bigger picture involves a great deal of government intervention and politics which few of us understand or know about.

 

I think that is the the case with CSA and its government bosses – Dept of Sport/Recreation , LOTTO and SASCOC. We fail to understand that CSA is not an organisation representing the cyclist, but rather the ONLY government “elected” controlling body mandated to operate & control all and any facets of the sport of cycling. Much like an estate agent with a sole mandate that never expires !

 

As hubbers we have spent many posts & threads trying to figure out what happens to money CSA generate from licensing fees we pay i.e. what they do with this money for us. Maybe we need to change the way we look at it and realise that it is in fact a fine/penalty/government levy imposed on us everytime we participate in an event and that it has nothing to do with developing cycling, promoting cycling, making cycling safer or paying to send cyclists overseas( a myth).

 

Once this is understood, the PPA challenge is about a lot more than constitutions, who runs what tour, who caters for funriders or elite cyclists e.t.c. – this is the small picture stuff. The big picture is that the PPA matter will be seen as a direct challenge and threat to the future of a government sport control body; don’t be surprised if in due course PPA is going to be forced to relinquish its status and funds. This is the democratic South African way ……………

 

In 1994 many sporting disciplines were in a perfectly healthy state and all structures were in place; even if those structures did not include all previously disadvantaged brothers and sisters, it was mostly possible to increase capacity. Instead most structures were completely dismantled and competent officials were replaced with idiots who in certain cases could neither read nor write and had never been exposed to the particular sporting code.

 

SA was able to very successfully host a 1995 Rugby World Cup based on structures that were in place long before the 1994 elections. Francois Pienaar was even gracious enough to allow Mr Mandela, who knew little about rugby and had perhaps never been to a game, to help him hold the trophy that the Springboks had worked so hard for. Or did Mr Mandela allow him to hold it ? Was this perhaps the first major government intervention in sport since 1994 ?

 

Seem to recall that the only sport battling with in-fighting, corruption and other problems in 1994 was SA soccer, which rather ironically had the least amount of government intervention before 1994 and had pretty much been allowed to do its own thing since the mid-seventies!

 

I am in a profession that is being regulated to death and guess what – nobody takes a stand and say “enough is enough”. There is a lot of muttering and moaning behind closed doors, but nothing properly structured and coordinated happens. Our professional bodies who are funded by our subscriptions, once fought and argued on our behalf, but now spend our funds to promote Government regulation and agendas.

 

It’s a pity that PPA only exists in the Western Cape as they would have had a far wider platform had they earlier expanded their funrider activities to include other provinces. Whether PPA or anything else is used, when are we going to say “enough is enough” or is it too late ?

Edited June 27, 2013 by Java001

[Brogue]

Whether PPA or anything else is used, when are we going to say “enough is enough” or is it too late ?

 

Thanks for the post. For my money, PPA is doing exactly that, through the court action they're telling guavamunt, SASCOC and CSA that "WE WON'T BE PUPPETS ON A STRING". Enough is indeed enough.

[DJR]

This pawn was reffering to a chess board - 8 x porns (the cyclist) 1 x King (normally CSA or PPA in RSA) and 1x queen (normally CSA or PPA in RSA) etc! Ever played the game? But probably in RSA - SAACOC is Queen or king along with the UCI in world terms!

 

After reading Javas post below, it is starting to look a lot like a chess game to me.

 

Just hope cycling doesn't end up like Athletics SA currently. Even Oscar seems better qualified to run it.........

 

Come to think about it, strong independently minded, well financed, sports bodies seem to work better (think Rugby?).

Edited June 27, 2013 by DJR

[Java001]

After reading Javas post below, it is starting to look a lot like a chess game to me.

 

Just hope cycling doesn't end up like Athletics SA currently. Even Oscar seems better qualified to run it.........

 

Come to think about it, strong independently minded, well financed, sports bodies seem to work better (think Rugby?).

 

Ideal model perhaps is NO government involvement apart from FULL funding when cyclists/athletes are selected to represent SA abroad ?

[Brogue]

Ideal model perhaps is NO government involvement apart from FULL funding when cyclists/athletes are selected to represent SA abroad ?

 

Ahhh, I see now you're a dreamer and idealist. You may as well scrap THAT bucket list right now.