CSA / PPA. The Heat is on

[Thug]

I had a look at the Income Statement posted earlier on page 12.

 

It would appear that the cycling levies which riders are forced to pay, either the day licence of R35 or the annual licence of R75, are purely used to fund the running cost of CSA, which seems extremely excessive.

 

Funding is also received from the Lotto, SASCOC and the Dept of Sports & Recreation. This funding is then used to pay expenses relating to sub-sections such as BMX, Road Cycling etc.

 

A couple of questions I would ask:

- From which Provinces are the levies received?

- The money that is spent in the sub-sections from the Lotto funding, in which Provinces is it spent?,

- Why is the grant received from the Dept of Sports & Recreation not utilised? (they show a R675k profit), and

- Similarly, why isn't the money received from SASCOC fully utilised.

 

The bottom line is that there doesn't appear to be any pro-active spending in ensuring cycling becoming a safe sport.

Edited June 14, 2013 by Thug

[slabs]

The joys of government interference......

 

http://www.citizen.co.za/citizen/content/en/citizen/sports-columnists?oid=436869&sn=Detail&pid=146826&Administrators-at-top-keep-wasting-money

[madmarc]

Was just wondering over the weekend while helping my mate rebuild his SS for critical mass rides. Wonder how long it will be until CSA try get their fingers into CM rides

[NotSoBigBen]

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[milky4130]

CSA clears the air

 

Cycling South Africa News

 

Cycling South Africa clarifies misconceptions

 

18 June 2013 – Despite reports in the media, Cycling South Africa has never laid claim to ownership of the Cape Argus Pick ‘n Pay Cycle Tour and/or Pedal Power Association, as suggested in an IOL article.

 

Western Cape Finance, Economic Development and Tourism MEC Alan Winde was quoted in the article as stating: “We can’t let the politics of a sporting organisation put such major events in jeopardy. At the end of the day, the event is not owned by Cycling SA, and the organisation doesn’t own the Pedal Power, so the show will go on. If they don’t want to be involved, that’s their problem.”

 

Cycling SA has no intention to take over the running of the Cape Argus Pick ‘n Pay Cycle Tour, or any of the events facilitated by, or owned by Pedal Power Association (PPA) or even Pedal Power Association itself. A statement of fact, contained in the supporting documents of the legal action, is that Cycling SA wishes for PPA to continue as they have over the past 10 years with the facilitation and organisation of events in and around the Western Cape. PPA has worked with Cycling SA, with the payment of race levies and membership fees on behalf of its members, over the past 10 years.

 

As with any sport, a National Federation requires funding to facilitate growth and development. Cycling SA has a record of good governance and transparency. But, unlike stadium sports, cycling does not have the opportunity to charge entry fees for spectators, and hence requires each private organiser, who utilises the sport of cycling for gain, to contribute a minimal amount of R6.00 per rider to Cycling SA. We also encourage each cyclist to become a member at only R75 per annum, which is far less than the R250 charged by the Pedal Power Association. To-date, Cycling SA has just over 21,000 members in good standing.

 

Statements that Cycling SA is a “money-making racket” as alleged by Western Cape Transport MEC Robin Carlisle in the same article, when referring to a licensing fee of R75 per annum, are unfounded and unfair. Cycling SA pours all of its income and grants back into cycling in order to provide opportunities for all in the various disciplines. Currently our Para-cyclists have returned from two UCI World Cups with 5 silver medals, 1 bronze medal and the points jersey, an achievement all South Africans can be proud of.

 

Further accusations by PPA that Cycling SA only look after the 1% of Elites is also a derogation of the truth, and may have been the case 10 years ago. Cycling SA has bought international events to South Africa for the enjoyment of all South Africans, and these events have generated a documented R79million of direct spend in South Africa. Cycling SA continues to strive to lower the barrier of entry into the sport. Currently, Cycling SA has 8 full time employees and has a smaller income than Pedal Power Association.

 

South Africa has world-class cyclists, but we are limited in providing the support that is necessary for these athletes to continually improve our nations ranking. Currently, all these athletes invest vast sums in themselves to compete on the world stage across all disciplines. They do this in order for South Africa to proudly fly our flag at prestigious international events like World Championships, Common Wealth Games, Youth Olympics and the Olympic Games.

 

Pedal Power’s stance that Cycling SA has done little on road safety is in itself incorrect. Cycling SA acknowledges that PPA has invested a large amount of work and money in this area in the Western Cape. Cycling SA does not lay claim to that. It must be recorded though that Cycling SA is the sports federation in its own right and not in competition with PPA. There has been lobbying for cycle lanes all around the country, as well as safety campaigns, orchestrated by volunteers who make up Cycling SA affiliates.

 

Cycling SA would like to re-iterate that it is defending an action whereby Pedal Power Association is challenging the changes to the Cycling SA constitution. Furthermore, Cycling SA is bound by rules governing the sport of cycling as set by the UCI (International Cycling Union). Cycling SA has been in good standing with the UCI since 1936. The UCI has a rule that prohibits Elite riders from competing in events that are not sanctioned by the National Federation. Elite license riders and teams may be fined or sanctioned by the UCI for doing so, and as the national federation Cycling SA needs to ensure our riders are not placed at undue risk. The statements made by politicians who have little communication with Cycling SA in order to obtain both sides of the story, is regrettable.

[Tumbleweed]

Cycling SA has a record of good governance and transparency.

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[DJR]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

As you should know, paper will let you do absolutely anything to it, write stuff like that or pull it through......really anything!

[ccc2]

Was just wondering over the weekend while helping my mate rebuild his SS for critical mass rides. Wonder how long it will be until CSA try get their fingers into CM rides

maybe you start the ppa up in your area - the ppa already have the CM in their pocket in Cape Town - now i'm waiting for them to start charging entry fees.

[Greybeard]

These are public documents. You should look for them, then make your comparison. PPA regularly sends out newsletters to members in which they tell you how to apply to funds for projects and what they are spending money on. Does CSA do this for its members? People don't even seem to know what the basic costs to event organisers are.

What happens to this money? Most people riding events are, whether you like it or not, not classified as "racing" cyclists (they have neither domestic nor recreational licenses). And if you want to grow the sport, that is where you're looking for new entrants. It is these people who are being "taxed" at R35 per event and primarily for CSA's benefit. For them, CSA is asking R41 (R35+RR6); of this R26 goes to CSA, R10 to the provincial body, R5 to the organisers. This is possibly ok if you are running an established event with a large field, but if you are not, if your numbers are small, your pool of potential riders are price-sensitive and you are taking the risk of running a new event with all the costs associated, then this does not work.

I wouldn't be so interested in all this if I saw something going back into local cycling development, but this seems to be left to clubs, and in areas where cycling is not strong (i.e. where you might want to see development) clubs are obviously not strong either... yet CSA is asking clubs to reach out to support cycling development in their areas. Without a strong club environment, this cannot happen. I'm not even sure that clubs should be the chosen vehicle for this -- which is where a body like PPA comes in.

The focus for developing cycling is multi-faceted. It's not just about races. Everybody who races has to train. Obviously this involves using public roads, so you are in the same space as me, the leisure cyclist, the cycling commuter, and everyone else on a bike, not to mention vehicles. (I shouldn't have to point this out, but the issue of safe cycling seems to get knocked out of the equation.) Further, to support the cycling industry, you need a broad base of consumers buying entry level equipment, getting hooked on cycling and moving up the chain as their interest is sustained. This is why people, who see the picture beyond the racing scene, are seeing a major difference between CSA and the PPA. It is about so much more than pro races, national colours and international competitiveness.

I looked at CSA financial statements which are on their website. What I found was, to me, strange. It's difficult to see actually what they are spending money on, especially at a provincial/regional level. And they seem to be sitting on a little bit of money.

I'm familiar with how non-profits work and can read financial statements, but maybe I needed to look at CSAs statements more carefully. How about someone with a proper brain for this has a look and tells us what they think? I've attached the latest set if you'd like to do so.

If one reads these then it is clear that precious little is spent on prize money and/or riders/members. By far the bulk is spent on salaries? and travelling?

[gogo@]

If one reads these then it is clear that precious little is spent on prize money and/or riders/members. By far the bulk is spent on salaries? and travelling?

That's what it looks like to me. I'd like proof to the contrary, though.

[Guest JAVI]

Edited June 23, 2013 by Jacques Viljoen

[Icycling]

It would be nice if the Pro's can't ride the fun rides it will give some fun rider the chance to win. Fun rides are fun ride no pro rides.

 

My 2c

 

And maybe in 2013 this will be what happens - but don't expect the road fun rides to be around much long due to lack of cyclist!

[Guest JAVI]

CSA clears the air

 

 

Cycling SA has no intention to take over the running of the Cape Argus Pick ‘n Pay Cycle Tour, or any of the events facilitated by, or owned by Pedal Power Association (PPA) or even Pedal Power Association itself. A statement of fact, contained in the supporting documents of the legal action, is that Cycling SA wishes for PPA to continue as they have over the past 10 years with the facilitation and organisation of events in and around the Western Cape. PPA has worked with Cycling SA, with the payment of race levies and membership fees on behalf of its members, over the past 10 years.

 

 

So they just want the money....?

[Kranswurm]

It would be nice if the Pro's can't ride the fun rides it will give some fun rider the chance to win. Fun rides are fun ride no pro rides.

 

My 2c

 

There are a friggin lot of verrry good riders who are not pros and are certainly not fun riders.They are licensed riders

[Chro Mo]

i follow racing, particularly CX, in the States quite a bit.

 

The issue of sanctioning races has become a hot topic there - particularly with reference to licensed riders not being allowed to race in very lucrative and popular races due to constraints placed on them by the UCI. This has been shelved for the moment, but has not been taken off the table altogether.

 

My question for the knowledgeable here is this:

 

Why, if I am a recreational rider with no vested interest in the pro scene of the CSA, would I need to purchase a day license - and here is the kicker - if the race is unsanctioned by and unaffiliated to the CSA, and is held on private land (GIBA/Holla etc)?

 

No local authority buy-in, no police involvement, no red tape.

 

Jut me and few hundred mates enjoying a day in the bush with prizes on offer.

 

What if I want to put up 50k for a weekend's awesome riding - enduro, CX, XC.

 

How do I benefit by carrying the cost of administering the collection and payment of the day-license fees to CSA?

 

How would the riders beneifit?

 

The question here is why would this be enforceable? If it is.

 

Doing a provincial race/road race/track cycling meet etc - i do understand the need for CSA. Outside of that? I really don't.

 

Genuine interest here, not just being argumentative....

 

Has anyone got any idea.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Chro Mo

[Guest JAVI]

All I would like is to ride my bike, push it up the hills and enjoy the day with other people that has the same interest.