Racetec, Championchip, SAS, Winning Time ....its getting ridiculous!!

[steve61]

We have a plethora of timing systems/companies and quite frankly it is becoming a nightmare...

[JA-Q001]

Winning-Time became Racetec and I think SAS woks with racetec as well?

[steve61]

Wouldn't it be nice if one could by a timing transponder with a licence and that is then yours for all events.

[Ostifer]

Wouldn't it be nice if one could by a timing transponder with a licence and that is then yours for all events.

[Ostifer]

Wouldn't it be nice if one could by a timing transponder with a licence and that is then yours for all events.

 

Why not then have 1 bank 1 grocery shop 1 make of bike with 1 model ... Lack of competition would be the worst solution I believe

[Bat]

Ostifer

 

This is a narrow minded thought. Just as you can take your bank card to any other banks ATM to do a transaction, I would thought the same can be implemented as Steve61 is suggesting. Nobody is suggesting one brand one product.

[New Landy new life]

I managed to use my Racetech chip in KZN at the Karkloof - they just reprogrammed it somehow, ony took a minute.

[madmarc]

It's not the amount of timing companies that is the problem. It's the way the data on all our races is handled.

 

First we need 1 National seeding ladder. This should be managed by our esteemed cycling body the frikken CSA.

 

Second, it should be a condition for timing companies who time CSA sanctioned events that they must provide the CSA with the results to be uploaded onto the seeding ladder FREE OF CHARGE.

 

The seeding ladder should be able to seed a rider in both MTB & ROAD races. This would be simple in a searchable data base with filters for riders doing both disciplines. Where race organisers have access to the ladder in order to seed you properly for events. This once again should be accessed FREE OF CHARGE for users. The cost of the seeding ladder should be included in our lic. fees and the income CSA gets from a sanctioned event.

 

I have no problem with having 50 timing companies making money from timing different events. They are all companies and have the right to ply their trade and make profit.

 

BUT......They try make huge additional profits by selling the data they collect over and above the money they have already been paid to time the event. so when a seeding ladder wants the results the timing company says sure we will provide you with the results but firsts deposit some mandellas in our account. This is why all Championchip times don't count towards seeding in other races and racetec seeding only gets done with racetec timed events.

 

Championchip where the biggest instigators of this practice with the original seeding ladder started by cycle lab, many years back. Where all your race times were listed other than CC. Some of you will remember that the CC timed race was listed but where the time was supposed to be it was an CC icon and you had to click on it which took you through to their website to see your time, and the time was not taken into consideration for your seeding.

 

So untill CSA get off their lazy fat asses and do something about the national seeding ladder, we will sit with the current seeding headaches in races.

 

I personally refuse to enter events timed by CC, and always urge other cyclists to do the same. But we are a community of whiners and whingers, we still pay them our money, and then come on to TheHub and complain. If organisers realised their entry numbers are seriously reduced because cyclists don't like the timing company so they don't enter, then they won't use them.

 

There are enough of us in numbers to rally CSA to get the seeding ladder sorted as well as to rally event organisers to only use timing companies who support the natioanl seeding ladder

Edited June 29, 2013 by madmarc

[Rob K]

Spot on madmarc,

 

I see that 94,7 are not using the Racetec system - according to someone at the race office when I enquired as to why my entry was not shown on the Racetec website.

 

What's up?

 

Rob

[Frosty]

It's not the amount of timing companies that is the problem. It's the way the data on all our races is handled.

 

First we need 1 National seeding ladder. This should be managed (read: outsourced to a company competent of updating and providing a service on a regular basis) by our esteemed cycling body the frikken CSA.

 

Second, it should be a condition for timing companies who time CSA sanctioned events that they must provide the CSA with the results to be uploaded onto the seeding ladder FREE OF CHARGE. Event organisers were supposed to send the results to CGC, not the timing company. The contract is with the race organiser, not CSA, so event organisers should be obliged to send their results within a set time after the race - they can then pull data from that central list to seed cyclists.

 

The seeding ladder should be able to seed a rider in both MTB & ROAD races. This would be simple in a searchable data base with filters for riders doing both disciplines. Where race organisers have access to the ladder in order to seed you properly for events. This once again should be accessed FREE OF CHARGE for users. The cost of the seeding ladder should be included in our lic. fees and the income CSA gets from a sanctioned event. Races need to be graded, according to degree of difficulty, to ensure races of similar grading are used to seed riders. No use using a flat, fast event for a hillier route where the bunch is thinned out.

 

I have no problem with having 50 timing companies making money from timing different events. They are all companies and have the right to ply their trade and make profit.

 

BUT......They try make huge additional profits by selling the data they collect over and above the money they have already been paid to time the event. so when a seeding ladder wants the results the timing company says sure we will provide you with the results but firsts deposit some mandellas in our account. This is why all Championchip times don't count towards seeding in other races and racetec seeding only gets done with racetec timed events. Event timing is paid for by the organisers, and they have a right to receive a copy. I get a copy for the Carnival City Macsteel National Classic - within a week or two, and it was submitted to Cycle Events within 4 weeks of the race (when they did the seeding/event entries).

 

Championchip where the biggest instigators of this practice with the original seeding ladder started by cycle lab, many years back. Where all your race times were listed other than CC. Some of you will remember that the CC timed race was listed but where the time was supposed to be it was an CC icon and you had to click on it which took you through to their website to see your time, and the time was not taken into consideration for your seeding - I had plenty CC events used on my seeding, in fact most of my best results were at CC timed events.

 

So untill CSA get off their lazy fat asses and do something about the national seeding ladder, we will sit with the current seeding headaches in races. Hit the nail on the head - surely 60000+ cyclists can demand this from CSA.

 

I personally refuse to enter events timed by CC, and always urge other cyclists to do the same. But we are a community of whiners and whingers, we still pay them our money, and then come on to TheHub and complain. If organisers realised their entry numbers are seriously reduced because cyclists don't like the timing company so they don't enter, then they won't use them. Sure, we won't miss your entry if you choose not to do it. 4500 other cyclists enter the event and that's about our limit considering there is no full road closure.

 

There are enough of us in numbers to rally CSA to get the seeding ladder sorted as well as to rally event organisers to only use timing companies who support the natioanl seeding ladder

[TK-Sp3cialiSt]

Spot on madmarc,

 

I see that 94,7 are not using the Racetec system - according to someone at the race office when I enquired as to why my entry was not shown on the Racetec website.

 

What's up?

 

Rob

 

• How will I be timed?
  

 

You will need to purchase a RaceTec timing chip, if you don’t already have one.

 

You may purchase the timing chip in the entry system, but if you would like to use it for other events, preceding the Cycle Challenge, you may arrange with RaceTec to have the timing chip ready for you at that particular event.

 

You may contact RaceTec at 0861 846 464 or email queries@racetec.co.za

 

NO CHIP = NO OFFICIAL RESULT = NO OFFICIAL CERTIFICATE = NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT YOU HAVE DONE THE RACE.

 

The above was taken from the current FAQ on http://www.cyclechallenge.co.za/Home/FAQCycleChallenge

[VicanZA]

How about separate timing company's but a single online database for seedlings.

[scotty]

How about separate timing company's but a single online database for seedlings.

Been tried and died. Cyclelab had a system running which seeded races for the various timing system but this was not properly managed and fizzled out. I think it was meant to be taken over by CSA but nothing came of it.

 

PPA have a system but this only caters for the PPA/Racetec incestuous relationship and excludes all other timing chips

Edited September 13, 2013 by scotty

[Wez-O]

Ostifer

 

This is a narrow minded thought. Just as you can take your bank card to any other banks ATM to do a transaction, I would thought the same can be implemented as Steve61 is suggesting. Nobody is suggesting one brand one product.

Agree with this guy.

 

I'm no fan of Championchip and more often than not don't ride races timed by them.

[ccjleicher]

We have the same problem with racetec handing over results to SASeedings in MTB races.

My one friend has been fighting with ractec for months.

Still they refuse to had over the results for, the MTB Race timed by Ractec :

IDI Online Tyger Valley Mountain Bike Challenge, presented by Barden Tyres, they have still not been handed over to SASeedings he has phoned and written tons of e-mails.

Last years 94.7 MTB race results were held back for almost 7 months. Thats all i have to say about racetec. An why lots of us not longer do MTB races that racetec times.

Until the hand over all the MTB results to SAseedings.

Edited September 17, 2014 by ccjleicher

[Donovan Le Cok]

We have the same problem with racetec handing over results to SASeedings in MTB races.

My one friend has been fighting with ractec for months.

Still they refuse to had over the results for, the MTB Race timed by Ractec :

IDI Online Tyger Valley Mountain Bike Challenge, presented by Barden Tyres, they have still not been handed over to SASeedings he has phoned and written tons of e-mails.

Last years 94.7 MTB race results were held back for almost 7 months. Thats all i have to say about racetec. An why lots of us not longer do MTB races that racetec times.

Until the hand over all the MTB results to SAseedings.

 

I hope there isnt an issue now with W2W seedings then. The Paul Cluver event (racetec) is being used for W2W (SASeeding)