Rude tonsils at Northerns this morning

[rouxtjie]

.....

 

Maybe I rode dirt bikes too long, but you always held your line and the oke behind had to pass you.

Also have it as, if you are riding it is up to the person behind you to pass, if you are walking, MOVE OFF THE TRAIL. But this is race etiquette...

 

The knife cuts both ways though.

 

All of the above being said, swearing at a kid isn't on

Edited October 7, 2013 by rouxtjie

[ValeYellow]

Been sitting on the sidelines on this one as it developed, cause I know that the behavior here is wrong so what I am saying here is not sanctioning this at all but rasinig another question as i had a similar experience on Saturday morning which i was mulling over.

 

What happened:

 

The ABSA development kids were out there with me on the single track near the Jukskei. They are fit and weigh nothing but I could hang with them on the single track on the twisties and in fact was way faster than them in the corners - age and experience versus youthful exuberance. Twice the one kid who shot past me on the uphill overcooked it in to the corner and i passed him again. Too much speed in the tight sections and to be frank they are riding hard tail klunkers against my hardware, it was unlikely he could corner as fast as I could. However on the uphills they would catch me and yell "Track".

 

After the third kid did this I told him that he needs to learn to overtake.

 

Am I being a grumpy old fart?

 

I never hesitate to overtake someone if I am fitter than them and faster than them. Especially if I have made enough noise to ensure they know I am there. Normally on singletrack. My theory is that these kids are going to go on and race and in a race they will be faster than some folks, and you don't overtake in a race by yelling track. You have to beat the person in front of you.To do that you have to overtake.

 

So i think that the whole idea of asking for track when you are behind someone is a bit crazy. Just overtake them. Overtaking is a skill that has to be developed as well. Its not easy. It requires planning and thought to execute an overtaking move and I have often screwed it up. In a race it is often challenging and if you haven't tried to get it right in practice settings you will likely screw it up.

 

Braking later to get to a corner first, block passing or sliding a bike are all techniques that take a lot of learning.

 

Maybe I rode dirt bikes too long, but you always held your line and the oke behind had to pass you.

I agree, if it is me alone on an uphill, and there is more than enough space for a bus to go past me on the right, then shouting "track" is a little silly. However, if there is two of you, cycling side by side, and there is not enough space to pass, then shouting "track" I think is in order. Keeping in mind, this is a 10yr old we are talking about, overtaking for us grown ups, who have had a lot more time in the saddle and have the confidence to perhaps overtake two cyclists that are next to each other, by maybe going between the two or whatever - is a lot easier than a 10yr old that perhaps feels intimidated and would only like to pass in a safe manner (what they deem safe). I really do agree with you - but I think there is no excuse for verbally abusing a 10yr old.....

[Andyr249]

That isn't nice!

But some people are like that and there is not much that you can do about it unfortunately. You will probably find that they are tjops in other areas of their lives as well and have similar attitudes while driving, in the shops, in restaurants etc.

[Flashfozzy]

As we are trying to instill manner, in our kid's, I have told her not to push between riders on the jeep track, which could have been done in this case.

 

We rode again yesterday with both kids and had nothing but compliments as my 4 year old was leading the way in his Supercyclist shirt.

Thanks for the encouragement given. No one realises how that spurs these kids on to ride further and faster.

[madmarc]

Been sitting on the sidelines on this one as it developed, cause I know that the behavior here is wrong so what I am saying here is not sanctioning this at all but rasinig another question as i had a similar experience on Saturday morning which i was mulling over.

 

What happened:

 

The ABSA development kids were out there with me on the single track near the Jukskei. They are fit and weigh nothing but I could hang with them on the single track on the twisties and in fact was way faster than them in the corners - age and experience versus youthful exuberance. Twice the one kid who shot past me on the uphill overcooked it in to the corner and i passed him again. Too much speed in the tight sections and to be frank they are riding hard tail klunkers against my hardware, it was unlikely he could corner as fast as I could. However on the uphills they would catch me and yell "Track".

 

After the third kid did this I told him that he needs to learn to overtake.

 

Am I being a grumpy old fart?

 

I never hesitate to overtake someone if I am fitter than them and faster than them. Especially if I have made enough noise to ensure they know I am there. Normally on singletrack. My theory is that these kids are going to go on and race and in a race they will be faster than some folks, and you don't overtake in a race by yelling track. You have to beat the person in front of you.To do that you have to overtake.

 

So i think that the whole idea of asking for track when you are behind someone is a bit crazy. Just overtake them. Overtaking is a skill that has to be developed as well. Its not easy. It requires planning and thought to execute an overtaking move and I have often screwed it up. In a race it is often challenging and if you haven't tried to get it right in practice settings you will likely screw it up.

 

Braking later to get to a corner first, block passing or sliding a bike are all techniques that take a lot of learning.

 

Maybe I rode dirt bikes too long, but you always held your line and the oke behind had to pass you.

 

I agree, I really suck at climbing so often get riders coming up behind me on hills expecting me to get off the trail and give them right of way. problem is, when I move off the trail I lose my rhythm and have to stop, so if they are stronger and fitter than me then they can go off the trail and pass or wait for a section to pass. If i'm walking I make sure I walk off to the side of the trail.

This whole shouting TRACK, TRACK thingy sometimes pisses me off, if you that fast and that fit then WTF are you doing behind me.

 

I also ride a TREK, but that doesn't mean other riders are doing to move over for me

[DIRT EATER KZN]

As a 10 year old, the lass has every opportunity to become a future SA champ. I and you I suspect, missed the bus. Our chance came and went.Good on you young lady, may your cycling future be bright. ps: you can drop me on a climb any day, I will shout yes, but it will be encouragment to you. Stick with it, the future is yours.

well said

[MTBc]

Mountainbikers! This is why we roadies just ignore each other. Much easier.

 

This is the first roadie comment I've ever liked

[Gen]

First of all I have 2 boys one will be 10 in a few weeks and the eldest turns 12 in Dec...

 

NOW listen all... if some twat decides to swears at my child who is out on a ride... .. I may very well climb off my bike and use it to teach the twat some manners!!

[Andyr249]

First of all I have 2 boys one will be 10 in a few weeks and the eldest turns 12 in Dec...

 

NOW listen all... if some twat decides to swears at my child who is out on a ride... .. I may very well climb off my bike and use it to teach the twat some manners!!

 

And teach your kids that they must use violence to solve all their problems as well.

The tonsils who swore at the little girl probably saw their fathers do what you described when they were kids and that is why they behaved in that manner.

[Kranswurm]

First of all I have 2 boys one will be 10 in a few weeks and the eldest turns 12 in Dec...

 

NOW listen all... if some twat decides to swears at my child who is out on a ride... .. I may very well climb off my bike and use it to teach the twat some manners!!

 

And if you carry on using "twat" around here you are going to pick up issues

[fabes]

And if you carry on using "twat" around here you are going to pick up issues

He is speaking from experience

[Helpmytrap]

Been sitting on the sidelines on this one as it developed, cause I know that the behavior here is wrong so what I am saying here is not sanctioning this at all but rasinig another question as i had a similar experience on Saturday morning which i was mulling over.

 

What happened:

 

The ABSA development kids were out there with me on the single track near the Jukskei. They are fit and weigh nothing but I could hang with them on the single track on the twisties and in fact was way faster than them in the corners - age and experience versus youthful exuberance. Twice the one kid who shot past me on the uphill overcooked it in to the corner and i passed him again. Too much speed in the tight sections and to be frank they are riding hard tail klunkers against my hardware, it was unlikely he could corner as fast as I could. However on the uphills they would catch me and yell "Track".

 

After the third kid did this I told him that he needs to learn to overtake.

 

Am I being a grumpy old fart?

 

I never hesitate to overtake someone if I am fitter than them and faster than them. Especially if I have made enough noise to ensure they know I am there. Normally on singletrack. My theory is that these kids are going to go on and race and in a race they will be faster than some folks, and you don't overtake in a race by yelling track. You have to beat the person in front of you.To do that you have to overtake.

 

So i think that the whole idea of asking for track when you are behind someone is a bit crazy. Just overtake them. Overtaking is a skill that has to be developed as well. Its not easy. It requires planning and thought to execute an overtaking move and I have often screwed it up. In a race it is often challenging and if you haven't tried to get it right in practice settings you will likely screw it up.

 

Braking later to get to a corner first, block passing or sliding a bike are all techniques that take a lot of learning.

 

Maybe I rode dirt bikes too long, but you always held your line and the oke behind had to pass you.

I agree, shouting "track" is just lazy. A long time ago I got myself into the habit of shouting "passing left/right", that way the person knows where you will be and can make extra space if they feel like it but the onus is on you to you to make it happen.

[rouxtjie]

I agree, shouting "track" is just lazy. A long time ago I got myself into the habit of shouting "passing left/right", that way the person knows where you will be and can make extra space if they feel like it but the onus is on you to you to make it happen.

Yes that is how you do it

[marko35s]

Since most of us is in agreement about the prickness of the two morons - my question: if your 10y old is dropping you by 200m, should you get involved in any altercations? (joking)

Pah.

My ten year drops me on climbs, on corners, on jumps, on drops and in fact basically everywhere but I would still beat him in a fight.

At least for the next year or two...

[Gen]

He is speaking from experience

 

ooh deary me.

 

And teach your kids that they must use violence to solve all their problems as well.

The tonsils who swore at the little girl probably saw their fathers do what you described when they were kids and that is why they behaved in that manner.

 

would you prefer me sending him to go see a psychologist to sort out all his issues.

 

I'm afraid I don't have any time for anyone who speaks like that to anyone.

[Kranswurm]

He is speaking from experience

 

I have issues with that avatar.....I might have to call you poephol instead of twat in the not too distance future