Rude tonsils at Northerns this morning

[Andyr249]

ooh deary me.

 

 

 

would you prefer me sending him to go see a psychologist to sort out all his issues.

 

I'm afraid I don't have any time for anyone who speaks like that to anyone.

 

I also don't have time for people like that. But no matter what you do they won't change so you will be better off using that energy to ride away from them. Just shout at them (nicely) to not speak like that and then ignore them and ride away.

[Gen]

Any case... I wouldn't really klap said.. moron with bike,, cause when going uphill, I def wont be able to still have the energy to lift the bike.

 

But hell.. I seriously hope you gave him a mouthful, if not for any other reason your daughter would see.. that daddy sure has her back.

Edited October 8, 2013 by Gen

[Hennie VR]

Been sitting on the sidelines on this one as it developed, cause I know that the behavior here is wrong so what I am saying here is not sanctioning this at all but rasinig another question as i had a similar experience on Saturday morning which i was mulling over.

 

What happened:

 

The ABSA development kids were out there with me on the single track near the Jukskei. They are fit and weigh nothing but I could hang with them on the single track on the twisties and in fact was way faster than them in the corners - age and experience versus youthful exuberance. Twice the one kid who shot past me on the uphill overcooked it in to the corner and i passed him again. Too much speed in the tight sections and to be frank they are riding hard tail klunkers against my hardware, it was unlikely he could corner as fast as I could. However on the uphills they would catch me and yell "Track".

 

After the third kid did this I told him that he needs to learn to overtake.

 

Am I being a grumpy old fart?

 

I never hesitate to overtake someone if I am fitter than them and faster than them. Especially if I have made enough noise to ensure they know I am there. Normally on singletrack. My theory is that these kids are going to go on and race and in a race they will be faster than some folks, and you don't overtake in a race by yelling track. You have to beat the person in front of you.To do that you have to overtake.

 

So i think that the whole idea of asking for track when you are behind someone is a bit crazy. Just overtake them. Overtaking is a skill that has to be developed as well. Its not easy. It requires planning and thought to execute an overtaking move and I have often screwed it up. In a race it is often challenging and if you haven't tried to get it right in practice settings you will likely screw it up.

 

Braking later to get to a corner first, block passing or sliding a bike are all techniques that take a lot of learning.

 

Maybe I rode dirt bikes too long, but you always held your line and the oke behind had to pass you.

 

I rode at Rosemary hill the other day and caught up to a dad riding with his daughter and little boy in the forest section. As I was doing interval training I was riding quite fast and caught up quickly. They saw me coming and the little girl (also about age 10) stopped and pulled off the single track. As I passed her I thanked her and she then shouted at her dad and younger brother "TRACK". They were about 25m ahead of her at that stage.

 

I just wonder where these kids learn this? Now if a dad refers to his child as a future sa champ I cant help but wonder if they dont teach their children to use the term to get people out the way. Please dont understand me wrong, I think it's wrong for people to swear at children or even use foul language around them but I will find it a bit disrespectful if a child shouts "Track" at me. If I am on a single track and I catch up to someone or someone catches up to me I will only give way when there is space for me to do so and when it is safe. I don't like to ask for track but will warn you that I'm passing left or right.

 

I first heard the word "Track" on provincial level racing and it was only used by the pro riders. I never heard anyone use it in other races. But even the pro's did not always use it, they had such skill that they were past you before you even know they were coming. I also rode behind a high school boy in a race, he passed me in the single track after I gave way. He later started shouting at ladies to give way. There was nowhere for them to go and they got so nervous that they almost fell. I got fed up with his verbal abuse and told him that they only have to give way where there is space for them to do so safely. These days people think you have to get out the way if they shout at you............does not work like that. There is plenty of space in a race to pass people, and if you are really as good as you think you are then you will find a way past.

[dee_biker]

And teach your kids that they must use violence to solve all their problems as well.

The tonsils who swore at the little girl probably saw their fathers do what you described when they were kids and that is why they behaved in that manner.

 

And teach them that violence in schools is also OK. The best thing I've learned in my life from my dad is while being in my bike or in my car, keep my emotions for myself.

 

Use that frustration to rather catch the oke (or girl) again up the hill...

Edited October 8, 2013 by dee_biker

[fabes]

I have issues with that avatar.....I might have to call you poephol instead of twat in the not too distance future

Lekker an Aapie blowing his own trumpet because he thinks he is Mr Hubsa

[Kranswurm]

Lekker an Aapie blowing his own trumpet because he thinks he is Mr Hubsa

 

LOL

 

Poephol....

[fabs]

Tonsils should be taken out at birth

[ValeYellow]

I rode at Rosemary hill the other day and caught up to a dad riding with his daughter and little boy in the forest section. As I was doing interval training I was riding quite fast and caught up quickly. They saw me coming and the little girl (also about age 10) stopped and pulled off the single track. As I passed her I thanked her and she then shouted at her dad and younger brother "TRACK". They were about 25m ahead of her at that stage.

 

I just wonder where these kids learn this? Now if a dad refers to his child as a future sa champ I cant help but wonder if they dont teach their children to use the term to get people out the way. Please dont understand me wrong, I think it's wrong for people to swear at children or even use foul language around them but I will find it a bit disrespectful if a child shouts "Track" at me. If I am on a single track and I catch up to someone or someone catches up to me I will only give way when there is space for me to do so and when it is safe. I don't like to ask for track but will warn you that I'm passing left or right.

 

I first heard the word "Track" on provincial level racing and it was only used by the pro riders. I never heard anyone use it in other races. But even the pro's did not always use it, they had such skill that they were past you before you even know they were coming. I also rode behind a high school boy in a race, he passed me in the single track after I gave way. He later started shouting at ladies to give way. There was nowhere for them to go and they got so nervous that they almost fell. I got fed up with his verbal abuse and told him that they only have to give way where there is space for them to do so safely. These days people think you have to get out the way if they shout at you............does not work like that. There is plenty of space in a race to pass people, and if you are really as good as you think you are then you will find a way past.

shouting "track" on a single track where there is typically no room to go is just silly. Like Hennie VR says, if you think you are that good, you will find a way past. Actually, if you are just that good, you should be starting up front with the main manne / vrouens - and we will check you out on the podium after the race. Whether shouting "track is right or wrong is one thing, verbally abusing a 10yr old kid is a whole different story.

[Andyr249]

And teach them that violence in schools is also OK. The best thing I've learned in my life from my dad is while being in my bike or in my car, keep my emotions for myself.

 

Use that frustration to rather catch the oke (or girl) again up the hill...

 

Exactly.

There is a way to deal with things and violence should be a last resort only if absolutely necessary. But even in this type of case dialogue (even shouting) is as far as it should go. And then explain to the kids the situation and what one should do. That will teach them not to be tonsils when they grow up and are in the similar situation.

[nolipoli]

I did Sani2C last year, and because of my horrible fitness ended up too far down the field. This meant sharing beautiful singletrack with slower riders (my fault).

 

What really grated me was the woman that I passed when it was safe to do so who then took it upon herself to shout at me because I had the audacity to pass her in the single track. I was probably around a meter away from her whilst passing.

[dyls]

I honestly cannot believe there are people who think its ok to speak like that to children. I suppose it takes all types to make the world go round but if you swear at my daughter my friend I will gladly issue one DCM and make you apologize to my daughter. I had a similar (but not so similar) issue with a guy swearing at my wife. She was driving the car (a scary notion I admit) in a parking lot at the farmers market here in Hillcrest looking for a parking she stopped while waiting for a car to reverse out of their parking when a guy came past her screaming out his window, "If you don't know how to F#@$en drive keep your f#$%en car off the road!" and proceeded to park 3 cars in, fortunately his car wasn't too difficult to spot, I waited there for him, when he returned I asked him (at first) very politely why he thought it was OK to speak to a lady in that manner. He responded "agg f#$% off man, to which I responded with a tight klap around his ears followed by ordering him to go up to my wife who was busy eating her breakfast and to apologize. which he duly did. my wife still knows nothing about the incident and why the man decided to apologize. I believe some people just need a wake up call once in a while!

[Paul Ruinaard]

I honestly cannot believe there are people who think its ok to speak like that to children. I suppose it takes all types to make the world go round but if you swear at my daughter my friend I will gladly issue one DCM and make you apologize to my daughter. I had a similar (but not so similar) issue with a guy swearing at my wife. She was driving the car (a scary notion I admit) in a parking lot at the farmers market here in Hillcrest looking for a parking she stopped while waiting for a car to reverse out of their parking when a guy came past her screaming out his window, "If you don't know how to F#@$en drive keep your f#$%en car off the road!" and proceeded to park 3 cars in, fortunately his car wasn't too difficult to spot, I waited there for him, when he returned I asked him (at first) very politely why he thought it was OK to speak to a lady in that manner. He responded "agg f#$% off man, to which I responded with a tight klap around his ears followed by ordering him to go up to my wife who was busy eating her breakfast and to apologize. which he duly did. my wife still knows nothing about the incident and why the man decided to apologize. I believe some people just need a wake up call once in a while!

 

Just so I am getting this right:

 

so you sanction assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm as a redress for using bad language.

 

And are willing to boast about it?

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I suppose if he had pulled a gun and shot you for assaulting him you wouldn't possibly have a view that somewhere this escalation of violence was the cause?

[Paul Ruinaard]

As we are trying to instill manner, in our kid's, I have told her not to push between riders on the jeep track, which could have been done in this case.

 

We rode again yesterday with both kids and had nothing but compliments as my 4 year old was leading the way in his Supercyclist shirt.

Thanks for the encouragement given. No one realises how that spurs these kids on to ride further and faster.

Flashfozzy I hear you on the manners story, but i am not sure it is bad manners to push in between two riders on an uphill? Or am I missing something here. I do it often if they wont move and I tell them what I am doing.

 

After all they are being rude TWOT's (notice O - TWOT stands for total waste of time as opposed to a TWAT or TWoFT) by not moving out the way.

 

And your attempt to create a well mannered young girl is laudable but is really in conflict with what is acceptable on an MTB. I see no issue with passing up the middle if thats all the track left to do it on. I would love to see the guys if she just casulally rode between them and dropped them up the hill.

[CycleJunkie]

Yes that is how you do it

I am mainly a roadie, but also a biker. Common sense and courtesy suggest that if you are being passed and you are safely able to, move over. If not and it is Single track those behind should wait until there is a suitable passing place. Do not rip up the rest of the terrein just to get past.

 

What is the mountain biking ethos? Leave no sign of your passing? or something similar.

 

If it is not a race, what is your hurry? Same as on the roads. We ALL share the trails and have equal rights. Just because you can ride faster than someone else does NOT give you any special privileges

[dyls]

Just so I am getting this right:

 

so you sanction assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm as a redress for using bad language.

 

And are willing to boast about it?

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I suppose if he had pulled a gun and shot you for assaulting him you wouldn't possibly have a view that somewhere this escalation of violence was the cause?

No you see that's where you are getting it wrong, I spoke very nicely first, by his reaction he deserved the klap. People cant go around shooting their mouth's off at women, children and people that they feel they can intimidate. I would never resort to violence but discipline and respect are 2 things I hold in very high regard, and I will always stand up for my family and should someone threaten them or disrespect them, then I will step up to the plate.

[madbradd]

 

I agree, shouting "track" is just lazy. A long time ago I got myself into the habit of shouting "passing left/right", that way the person knows where you will be and can make extra space if they feel like it but the onus is on you to you to make it happen.

 

I tend to do this as well. Also you don't spook the rider as you come past. Even in short lapped races where you may be passing the same person several times its still up to you to pass. However swearing at ANY fellow rider is not cool in my books. If you can move over for someone behind you, offer if you know they're there. It's really not that difficult to be polite.