PPA versus CSA

[mallo]

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Edited February 14, 2014 by mallo

[LeTurbo]

This what you meant to post?

 

In a landmark case that is likely to affect sports like road running, the Western Cape High Court on Friday found that organisers of the Cape Argus Pick n Pay Cycle Tour were not legally required to run the events under the sanction of the national federation, Cycling South Africa (CSA).

Midway through last year, Cycling South Africa (CSA) claimed that all cycling events would have to be sanctioned by the national federation, including those run by the Pedal Power Association who organise the Cycle Tour. This meant that all the riders competing in the Cycle Tour may be forced to pay licence fees to the national federation and CSA warned that if PPA failed to adhere to the rules, it could ban many of SA’s top riders from competing.

PPA responded by taking the matter to court and, in the judgement on Friday morning, acting judge KM Savage ruled against CSA with costs.

“It is declared that the applicant, the Pedal Power Association (PPA), does not require the prior sanction or approval of the first respondent, Cycling South Africa, or members of the first respondent, in respect of cycling events organised by the applicant, including fun rides or league rides,’ the judgement read.

The judgement also means that PPA also does not need the sanction of CSA before it can work with provincial and local authorities in the organisation of the race.

The ruling also has repercussions in sports like running, where all runners are forced to either pay an annual fee or a temporary licence, whenever they run an event under the auspices of the national federation, Athletics South Africa. – Mike Finch

[Omar]

it also means that any organiser may organise a cycle event on the same day , in the same area as the ppa without having to apply to the regional / provincial / national body. at the moment the ppa's events are sanctioned by the provincial body (that is the interim agreement mentioned in the judgement) which means that the ppa has a 70 km radius of exclusivity for their event on that day. i predict the ppa will be back in court very soon becos they've just kicked themselves in the teeth.

[DJR]

..................... i predict the ppa will be back in court very soon becos they've just kicked themselves in the teeth.

 

It seems more to me like they managed to get the court to tell CSA to stop kicking them in the nuts and SASCOC from kicking them in the head!

[Pipsqueak]

So does this mean that Sani and all other "fun" races can tell CSA to get stuffed?

[GoLefty!!]

in effect, yes. CSA has no jurisdiction over an event that does not wanted to be sanctioned by them. That is PPA's point and a good one. Private event owners do not require CSA for anything.

If CSA bans it memebers from participatng in PPA events then thats going to be fun. Good Luck to CSA

[NeoOne]

when do we get our refunds for the Argus?

[Icycling]

What about PPA social responsibility?

 

Not spending cash on hand on cyclist is also a tragedy as cycling losses - so having about 20 million in the "bank" which could be used for cycling also in my opinion is not great - yes better than been bankrupt but as a non profit organization basically the same crime yet in reverse!

 

This is what I have written on FB in commentary!!! This is about cycling not CSA or BEN or any other cycling organization it's about PPA need to not spend money they have on cycling as apposed to investments!!!!

 

"I look at this slightly differently and yet I think, I think, the way the man who champion the cause in ensuring that PPA got it's share of the ACT profits back in the 90ies - Lawrence Whittaker. This is basically why PPA have money which is more spent on non cycling i.e. unite trusts than cycling - granted not waisted unless the stock market crashes and unite need to be sold at that time!

 

PPA get people started in "funride / fun races all are timed." From the masses their will always be a few who want to take sport to the next level and get supper competitive - in RSA, PPA are probably more responsible than any other cycling body to spark this supper competitive nature in these relatively few cyclist - but needless to say they are responsible!

 

What I cannot understand is after doing this PPA see it fit to wash their hand from this responsibility and say now CSA handle these relatively few cyclist! CSA is basically a government arm - Government are also not very supportive of sport yet they collect a lot of tax from sport - government / national treasury budget for sport in RSA is very small and tends to get spent on banquette for the minister and not the athletes!

 

Yet when sports people do well in their sport (eg national ruby team winning the world cup) the entire population is uplifted and ultimately productivity improves which means more tax! Likewise when Bafana Bafana do badly (or were the just striking on the pitch) the moral of the country goes down.

 

So a tip for Pravin Gordhan would be to spend more of this tax money on sport esp. the minor / non stadium sports. Possibly the TAX man should also pay tithe i.e. allowed the tax paying community 10% of their tax to be allocated directly to areas - be it policing / education or even sport!

 

But while this is all not happening we have the PPA which does not pay tax - why don't PPA consider donating what would have been their company tax - think 30% of income to the sporting body which is trying without much funding to looking after these supper competitive cyclist which PPA are probably more responsible in creating than they willing to admit. This would just be a grant and possibly like Lotto has done, it should be stipulated how it should be spent then audited eg a guideline for every 6 cyclist sent overseas ( representing RSA) 2 assistant many also be paid for - we all know RSA cyclist need to get to Europe or the USA to reach the next level of competitiveness.

 

I been told last year the guys who went to race at the world cup for RSA on the Manchester track each had to come up with about R40 000 to represent their country - how will be ever create World class cyclist if it cost that individual so much in training time and then additional money. PPA certainly could help here and it's a cycling worthy cause - it's just need to be managed properly with the correct checks and balances!!

 

I take issue with Goverment when they say when you put on RSA national kit you representing 52 million RSA people - then the only funding the provided to sports federations which does not necessary go to the athletes is done via Lotto - then you representing those who play Lotto!"

[GoLefty!!]

what a load of tosh. PPA has no responsibility to cyclists representing their country at an international event. Why not ask CSA what they do with their Lotto millions

Edited February 19, 2014 by GoLefty!!

[Icycling]

Lotto have set rule on how their money is spent - generally on infrastructure and not on athletes!!! I have suggested that if PPA should chose to donate fund to CSA that they do the same - set rules! The problem is investing in athletes is an on going investment as they change consistently max they same athlete maybe at 4 Olympic and that's a major push - so it kind of like a bottomless pit - maybe thats why a socialist mind set is required as apposed to a capitalistic mind set....

Edited February 18, 2014 by Icycling

[slabs]

I do not believe that it is the PPA's responsibility to sponsor top athletes. This should come from corporate sponsorships or dedicated government programs (lotto included).

 

I do, however, wonder what the intention of the PPA is with all the money in their hands. They do proclaim to have various avenues of spending it, but very little is actually seen. Heard that a grand total of R17000 was spent on mtbing last year and if one looks at their 'investments' into places like Schapenberg and Thandi, very little improvements are seen. Thandi bike park does not even exist any more.

 

Also many PPA events do not exist any more and no help was forthcoming to help them out. What happened to 'Die Wingerd' race in Somerset West?

 

I fully agree with their fight with the CSA and am happy with the outcome, but they seriously need to relook at how their money is spent towards the development of cycling.

Edited February 19, 2014 by slabs

[Hairy]

How about a ppa fund where athletes who are really in need can lobby v for funding.

 

Then here is another point....ppa is wc based and predominately funded by wc members. .....so should their funds then only go to wc athletes as this is their base?

 

Lost interest many years ago in ppa as I just felt they did nothing for my money......hope they pic up their game now.

 

On the brighter side...no more csa fees ontop of our race entries anymore

[scotty]

Lotto have set rule on how their money is spent - generally on infrastructure and not on athletes!!!

 

And parties

 

The National Lotteries Board approved a R1-million grant to help Cosatu fund its 25th birthday celebrations at Johannesburg stadium in December. The money was spent on the venue, performing artists, and stage and sound system.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/08/08/cosatu-s-r1m-lotto-jackpot-to-be-probedv

[HappyMartin]

I feel as much for the PPA as I feel for the stormers. Far away and nothing to do with me.

 

I don't see how this decision can be good for cycling. Loads of money enters the PPA coffers at Argus time and I'm believe most of the entrants are not even from the Cape. That money sure does nothing for cyclists outside of the area.

 

It's been a long time since I did an Argus. Be a longer time before I do another one.

[scotty]

Not clear up here in Gauteng what the CSA do as well, particularly for the recreational rider. I watched them in action at one of the big races and their main focus appeared solely to be on licensed riders and once they were in they packed up and left, leaving the organizers to continue. This despite the portion of the majority recreational riders entry fee been handed over to them.

[ccc2]

i quote by steve haywood the ppa chairman in the Argus about the ppa legal fees " this money can be now put back into our charities and buying bikes for people who desperately need them to get around"

nice - what about charity begins at home (ie with your members)