Dopers riding epic

[rouxtjie]

Smurfie: "  New to the sport, when did Owen transgress?"

 

Many moons ago when he was a pro rider.  Hy was once part of this forum......Don't know if he still is but yes.....he too was naughty and took a sip of the magic potion.

Early 2000's I think...was with microsoft team. Didn't he do full confession on supercycling met krokedil trane et al.

 

Shampies.

[jcza]

Early 2000's I think...was with microsoft team. Didn't he do full confession on supercycling met krokedil trane et al.

 

Shampies.

 

Apologies for the highjack but what is this? Wubani Obengathinta Amabhubezi?

[Nayr]

pretty much, yeh.

 

would you hire a CA who has a fraud charge against him?

Would the CA not be banned for life?...just saying. Maybe get the Accountancy board or whatever they are called to take over from SAIDS?

[SwissVan]

Early 2000's I think...was with microsoft team. Didn't he do full confession on supercycling met krokedil trane et al.

 

Shampies.

 

Think he said he took (steroids) to help him recover quicker from a knee injury which was not healing as planned...?

[rouxtjie]

Apologies for the highjack but what is this? Wubani Obengathinta Amabhubezi?

Ek is dom maar ek werk hard in zulu

 

aka

 

If you gonna be dumb, you better be tough

Edited September 18, 2014 by rouxtjie

[rouxtjie]

Think he said he took (steroids) to help him recover quicker from a knee injury which was not healing as planned...?

Thats right swiss...always violin music in the background

[carbon29er]

you say it like its in the past?? He still makes a career from the sport!! and that aint right...

 

 

Agreed! Don't employ a convicted fraudster as your accountant, don't employ a convicted drunk driver as your driver etc.

 

Sport fraud in general is lightly punished. I think its because the victims as kinda unclear. All you steal as a doper is "potential careers"...

Why do we bother with correctional services to rehabilitate criminals? Just hang them all and rid society of all who do wrong?  Or incarcerate them and never let them out?

 

Are you guys god fearing religious people of any denomination from a modern society with a social conscience?

 

Reading the lack of compassion for time served for crimes against humanity in the form of cheating at sport makes me feel that I've woken up in the middle ages.  No one is ever forgiven?

 

What are the attitudes to those we know cheated through dope to achieve the life time of results they did but are idolized mainly because they were never caught, not because they did not dope?

[carbon29er]

Uhm. Paulissen has been riding for a few years now.

He was caught a couple years back?

 

And his partner was pinged this year too...

Paulissen was pinged for fertility drugs and retired. Then made a comeback.

[carbon29er]

pretty much, yeh.

 

would you hire a CA who has a fraud charge against him?

I may be wrong but I think there is a huge, no massive, difference between a CA and a bike racer.

 

On the one hand: The CA is in a position of trust and is relied on by our society to act honestly and with integrity in all their dealings.  They have a professional qualification based on education and a body that overseas the standards to which they are held and must act,

 

Any CA convicted of fraud is removed from their professional body and may no longer act in that capacity.  So you can't hire him.

 

On the other hand we have a guy who races a bicycle for society's (Edit: apostrophe) amusement and entertainment.

Edited September 18, 2014 by carbon29er

[Nayr]

Why do we bother with correctional services to rehabilitate criminals? Just hang them all and rid society of all who do wrong?  Or incarcerate them and never let them out?

 

Are you guys god fearing religious people of any denomination from a modern society with a social conscience?

 

Reading the lack of compassion for time served for crimes against humanity in the form of cheating at sport makes me feel that I've woken up in the middle ages.  No one is ever forgiven?

 

What are the attitudes to those we know cheated through dope to achieve the life time of results they did but are idolized mainly because they were never caught, not because they did not dope?

 

Yes on 2 of 3 counts... however i'm not sure what doping, cycling and religion have to do with one another ? But some people on here are vehemently against cheating in Sport, as they should be and includes myself. If LA ever invited me out for a drink I'd be happy to go, I think he is an amazing athlete, but unfortunately he got caught, so therefore deserved to get banned, as does every other cheat. However this does not mean there is a lack of compassion and people haven't forgiven him and or cast him out into social exile, it just means he can't participate in sport - which is a pretty fair assessment...my 2c of course

[Patchelicious]

pretty much, yeh.

 

would you hire a CA who has a fraud charge against him?

No, because he got caught. If you know of a CA that can dodge SARS and not get caught, PM me!

[milky4130]

pretty much, yeh.

 

would you hire a CA who has a fraud charge against him?

Probably not, but don't see how that comparison relates back to DG doing Epic?

[SwissVan]

I may be wrong but I think there is a huge, no massive, difference between a CA and a bike racer.

 

On the one hand: The CA is in a position of trust and is relied on by our society to act honestly and with integrity in all their dealings.  They have a professional qualification based on education and a body that overseas the standards to which they are held and must act,

 

Any CA convicted of fraud is removed from their professional body and may no longer act in that capacity.  So you can't hire him.

 

On the other hand we have a guy who races a bicycle for society's (Edit: apostrophe) amusement and entertainment.

 

I doubt DG or any pro athlete who gets caught doping competes for society's benefit. Yes society does benefit from the entertainment point of view but there will always be someone to provide that entertainment.

 

History has shown us that having so called compassion (give them a 2 year ban and another chance) does not deter dopers from doping again, the sentence should be a deterrent that will make people be too scared to consider doping in the beginning. first place

Edited September 18, 2014 by SwissVan

[Trackz]

Think he said he took (steroids) to help him recover quicker from a knee injury which was not healing as planned...?

 

If I recall it was steroids to help him recovery from injury as he had pressure put on him to ride for his team or risk losing his position. So he got a boost from a friend with the expectation it would be out of his system in a certain period. It wasn't and he got caught. Bad decision making I guess as with all drug offences.

 

I don't want to wish harm on anyone but it has always bugged me that he is seen as a face of cycling. Maybe he does a lot of good and is outspoken against drugs and goes around teaching schools about the negative aspects of PED's.

[Eldron]

Why do we bother with correctional services to rehabilitate criminals? Just hang them all and rid society of all who do wrong?  Or incarcerate them and never let them out?

 

Are you guys god fearing religious people of any denomination from a modern society with a social conscience?

 

Reading the lack of compassion for time served for crimes against humanity in the form of cheating at sport makes me feel that I've woken up in the middle ages.  No one is ever forgiven?

 

What are the attitudes to those we know cheated through dope to achieve the life time of results they did but are idolized mainly because they were never caught, not because they did not dope?

 

I think you're over reacting a bit.

 

I'm all for rehabilitation but with limitations.

 

In the same way I don't think convicted child molesters should be allowed to work with children or burgers flippers caught spitting in food should never work with public food again - I don't think convicted riders should be able to compete in cycle races/commentate on cycling or present cycle shows - basically earn money in a field they've chosen to cheat at.

 

I have nothing personal against any doper I just don't think they should be allowed back into the sport.

 

Plenty other careers available to dopers (most of which pay better!).

 

If you've been done for doping - no racing license ever again. I'm not too serious about though...

 

Blood doping/EPO/"serious offence" - no question - 1 strike and you're out.

Lesser drugs like ephedrines/testosterone/diet drugs which can conceivably be accidental ingestion etc I reckon two strikes and you're out.

 

I guess that would make me ok with Owen on Supercycling - I still don't like it though.

[SwissVan]

If I recall it was steroids to help him recovery from injury as he had pressure put on him to ride for his team or risk losing his position. So he got a boost from a friend with the expectation it would be out of his system in a certain period. It wasn't and he got caught. Bad decision making I guess as with all drug offences.

 

I don't want to wish harm on anyone but it has always bugged me that he is seen as a face of cycling. Maybe he does a lot of good and is outspoken against drugs and goes around teaching schools about the negative aspects of PED's.

 

He is now 100% rehabilitated