Headshot Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Dropped Mr Kammies a quick email. Lets see what he says.
MintSauce Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Your justification for the SAFFA frustration is exactly the reason why the cyclist protection legislation needs to be amended to making the motorist immediately culpable when hitting a cyclists or pedestrian. Was in Holland a few years ago. We remarked to our taxi driver that we were amazed at the patience shown by drivers towards cyclists. I was surprised when in response, he told us about this legislation. Didn't know about it at the time. In his mind it forced people to 'think bike' if I can use that term and was the reason why motorists showed such care and patience. If you mention it to motorists locally they all think it's ridiculous and unfair. The law isn't intended to automatically lay blame with the motorists. It just places to burden of proof with the motorist. He has to prove that it wasn't his fault. They need to realise that it's not about apportioning blame, but rather forcing motorists who are in 99% of cases going to walk away unharmed to consider the other party who in 99% of cases will not walk away from the incident and quite possibly lose their life. Problem is South Africans are to f_ing selfish to care.
Raydek Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Twitter: Kieno Kammies @KienoKammies 5m5 minutes agoWe have a great relationship with @PedalPowerPPA - any suggestion that we were being disingenuous is disingenuous in and of itself.
Skylark Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 The Times was still reporting in today's paper that the accident was as a result of the bus swerving to avoid the cyclists.
nathrix Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Gotta love this tweet: @AllJazzRadioSA: @kayeman poor argument, if I own a motorcycle I still must pay for another license. Time to pay for bicycle license too
Korkstah Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 might be unpopular but the fact that the driver said he swerved might hold a 1% truth. Turns out they were 2 italian triathletes. think they usually drive on the opposite side of the road so perhaps a small lapse in concentration you never know http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Italian_triathletes_badly_injured_4936.html reckon it's all speculation until they interview the one that is recovering well . Until then we shouldnt really jump to conclusions even if the Sunday times and the times are reporting it. Very poor journalism on their behalf.
Pikey Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 might be unpopular but the fact that the driver said he swerved might hold a 1% truth. Turns out they were 2 italian triathletes. think they usually drive on the opposite side of the road so perhaps a small lapse in concentration you never know .Going downhill feasible but if you are riding uphill surely your concentration lapse is not to cross the road onto oncoming cars?
MintSauce Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 might be unpopular but the fact that the driver said he swerved might hold a 1% truth. Turns out they were 2 italian triathletes. think they usually drive on the opposite side of the road so perhaps a small lapse in concentration you never know http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Italian_triathletes_badly_injured_4936.html reckon it's all speculation until they interview the one that is recovering well . Until then we shouldnt really jump to conclusions even if the Sunday times and the times are reporting it. Very poor journalism on their behalf. Your point is totally moot considering the fact the driver has admitted brake failure, as pointed out on this thread earlier
Bloukrans Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Your point is totally moot considering the fact the driver has admitted brake failure, as pointed out on this thread earlierAgree - I understand that the driver tried to avoid the cyclists after the brakes failed! That means, he was already a loose canon at the time he hit the cyclists.
Shebeen Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 might be unpopular but the fact that the driver said he swerved might hold a 1% truth. Turns out they were 2 italian triathletes. think they usually drive on the opposite side of the road so perhaps a small lapse in concentration you never know I've lived in parts of the world that are on the other side of the road and this is basic logic that is just not the same in reality. You adjust VERY quickly to the other side of the road, mainly because it is so damn obvious from traffic patterns. And why would you just sommer cross the white line halfway up a long pass? It looks like these two athletes have travelled enough to have been exposed to this before.
_C50_ Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 might be unpopular but the fact that the driver said he swerved might hold a 1% truth. Turns out they were 2 italian triathletes. think they usually drive on the opposite side of the road so perhaps a small lapse in concentration you never know I passed the two ladies at the bottom of the pass while they were still going down, and I was on my way back up. They were cycling single file and on the left hand side of the road. Can't see why they would not have done the same a short while later while going back up.
marko35s Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Agree - I understand that the driver tried to avoid the cyclists after the brakes failed! That means, he was already a loose canon at the time he hit the cyclists.Absolutely.He hit cyclists but it could just as easily been a car, motorbike, taxi or a herd of nomadic nuns. He had lost it already and they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Tubehunter Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 It's a really sad reflection on us as humanity to see how divided we can be about the desire we all share to live!
Raydek Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Italian triathletes badly injured via @slowtwitch & @Alexa_Obviously cc @bicyclesafetysa http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Italian_triathletes_badly_injured_4936.html … View photo0 replies1 retweet0 favorites Reply Retweet1 Favorite More
DJR Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 And still the RSG morning news says the bus crashed after trying to avoid cyclists........it is starting to feel like hate speech to me.
nathrix Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 And still the RSG morning news says the bus crashed after trying to avoid cyclists........it is starting to feel like hate speech to me. Just shows you how inaccurate most news reports are. The majority of Franshoek crash news reports are baseless, reckless, irresponsible, and cannot be further from the truth and I'm disgusted. I also find it strange that no statements, not even a whisper, was made by either PPA or CSA concerning all these garbage reports concerning this incident? Perhaps this type of news is not part of their mandate or of no concern to them or they are awaiting the report after a full investigation, but then they could have at least said something. This is not an attack on PPA or CSA, i raise the question as i do not know.
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