velomonatiCT Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 and president (sic ) jacob zuma has a std 8 please explain the problem I think you all just deserve lousy representation (don't complain when the cycle lamps go out or you all have to pay for yearly bike licences )im done with this
Omar Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 So basically the letter states that the new CEO is a cyclist, that cycles with his friends. At least he cycles, rather than the CSA lot that just sit around, send press releases to the hub saying, that if we don't buy a license we cannot partake in races.don't be so ignorant - the WPCA have just finished their winter series. in your ignorance you didn't know the wp were an affiliate of CSA.
Icycling Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 and president (sic ) jacob zuma has a std 8 please explain the problem I think you all just deserve lousy representation (don't complain when the cycle lamps go out or you all have to pay for yearly bike licences )im done with this The CEO post was advertised with certain education requirements. The recruitment agency should have thrown all applicant out at round one who did not meet these requirement - CORRECT? If not then it suggested the process was rigged right from the start - well that would be my interpretation. By the way the new CEO may have 5 degrees, way over qualified for the job etc etc - I just don’t know and have not been able to find out!
Omar Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 As a guy that can easily believe that Niel Armstrong jumped out of Apollo 11 in the Arizona Desert.....(and old enough to have listened to the radio broadcast)Just too strange that a Cape Town and Joberg(sic) huber(sic) get the same letter, I am quite hesitant to ask what is going on? The PPA/CSA issue is the obvious problem here. What I see is one dysfunctional and one very functional organisation. I don't know any of the people involved in both organisations but believe me I will always back the functional one. An as a last word on the buddy-buddy system the new PPA CEO is accused of: To the accusers - is he not just a better organizer than you? And that is the crux of his job.functional - why are the ppa's funrides goin to be sanctioned,when they won the court case to do as they like. be transparent and tell us
TIB Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 The CEO post was advertised with certain education requirements. The recruitment agency should have thrown all applicant out at round one who did not meet these requirement - CORRECT? If not then it suggested the process was rigged right from the start - well that would be my interpretation. By the way the new CEO may have 5 degrees, way over qualified for the job etc etc - I just don’t know and have not been able to find out!I see. It is a jealousy technical issue.
Pure Savage Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Is this advert on Facebook for the position? Says it went out 7 days ago. So the ppa CEO reports to the six ppa trustees and 6 rotary trustees? To be honest if he gets a southern suburbs road race and some more road events I don't really mind about his tertiary education.
Icycling Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I see. It is a jealousy technical issue. As a mechanical engineer yes I do get technical. But like today I spent 1h30 in the bank having them go through all my leases on my rental properties to see if I qualify for access to more of my registered bond! Similar when applying for a job with requirements if qualify you qualify if you don't you don't and do not pass begin etc
Icycling Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Is this advert on Facebook for the position? Says it went out 7 days ago. So the ppa CEO reports to the six ppa trustees and 6 rotary trustees? To be honest if he gets a southern suburbs road race and some more road events I don't really mind about his tertiary education.This is NOT the advet for the CEO of PPA it maybe the the advert of the CEO for the Cape Town cycle tour - which as pointed out earlier in this post no current sitting CTCTT trustee may apply - that was told to me earlier this week (I am not a trustee). I still don’t know why PPA did not apply that rule to their current EXCO for their own PPA - CEO position.
Pure Savage Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 don't be so ignorant - the WPCA have just finished their winter series. in your ignorance you didn't know the wp were an affiliate of CSA.I know and take part in the wp series. I also took part in lbl events also CSA affiliate. Explain the connection between being an affiliate of CSA and the management of CSA and the support of national cycling programs. Excuse my ignorance if am missing something.
Oufy MTB (Roadie) Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 My job entails working with NPOs on a daily basis and what we have here is what I have to deal with on a regular basis. I'm not going debate CSA/PPA etc and whether Robert should have gotten the job. I also didn't apply for the job and have no sour grapes. I don't care who wrote the letter and what and why OP posted. The fact that someone wrote a letter, accusations of a flawed process and chommie chommie scenario exists is something that the PPA must tackle going forward. Part of the role of an NPO board is to manage and support the CEO, manage risk and reputation. When you have a situation where the board is chommie chommie or in some cases family members or other nepotism stuff then it is normal to have these questions asked. Decision making is an important board function and if everyone is chommie chommie then effective, impartial decision making is compromised and will be questioned by the public. The current board I am dead sure is aware of this and thus will be prepared to take the flack for it. So you can flame me, the OP or the anon dude but these issues needs to be addressed regardless. Due to this setup, doubt is immediately casted on the new CEO, it might not be fair but was inevitable. I always coach new boards to make sure that you have a nice spread of board members to prevent this type of scenario. However, in sporting codes (compared to 'welfare') boards it is more difficult to negate the chommie chommie scenario because inevitably given the common denominator, cycling, chances are you will know each other. I don't know the board members or Robert, so I will never question their motives etc. However, I am asking them to look at their current board structure and setup and look at a way to ensure that governance is improved. I also maintain that governance of an NPO will never be perfect and will require continues course corrections to get it closer to perfection. And remember, if you not happy with a board or a set up, use the AGM, constitution and election procedures to affect change, in other words get involved. Often we left with the same willing board members year in year out because folks don't want to use the processes at their disposal and prefer to do the crit thing. Serving on a voluntary board is a thankless job. I wish Robert all of the best, this is your first crisis, and organisations grows by dealing with crisis effectively.
PhilipV Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Flippit I really hope that in a couple of months years we will look back and say that Rob was the new broom the PPA needed to sweep away all their issues (nuwe besem vee skoon) and that this thread was just another storm in a teacup.
openmind Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 The CEO post was advertised with certain education requirements. The recruitment agency should have thrown all applicant out at round one who did not meet these requirement - CORRECT? If not then it suggested the process was rigged right from the start - well that would be my interpretation. By the way the new CEO may have 5 degrees, way over qualified for the job etc etc - I just don’t know and have not been able to find out!Jeez dude, enough already! Here, call him and ask him yourself: Robert Vogel:083 6319796ride@tablemountainbikers.co.za You might just like what you hear.
City Cycling Athletic Club Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Practice of appointing relatives and friends in one's organization to positions for which outsiders might be better qualified. Despite its negative connotations, nepotism (if applied sensibly) is an important and positive practice in the startup and formative years of a firm where complete trust and willingness to work hard (for little or no immediate reward) are critical for its survival.
Oufy MTB (Roadie) Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Practice of appointing relatives and friends in one's organization to positions for which outsiders might be better qualified. Despite its negative connotations, nepotism (if applied sensibly) is an important and positive practice in the startup and formative years of a firm where complete trust and willingness to work hard (for little or no immediate reward) are critical for its survival. Agree with this to some extent, especially for organisations in the 'founding' phase. PPA is a fully grown adult and I can't really apply this scenario to them, 20 years ago yes, not now.
Icycling Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Practice of appointing relatives and friends in one's organization to positions for which outsiders might be better qualified. Despite its negative connotations, nepotism (if applied sensibly) is an important and positive practice in the startup and formative years of a firm where complete trust and willingness to work hard (for little or no immediate reward) are critical for its survival. PPA - a startup? I don't think so! The reward are in some peoples opinions are quite large!
Beefy Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 There seems to be a fair amount of slander here but does anyone know if the appointment was made in line with the constitution of the PPA? With corporate governance being thrown about I can't see the PPA having to comply to things like the King report, etc.
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