Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[ScottCM]

thanks..had a bit of a *** run on Sat. HR was higher than normal (which i think was a result of a restless sleep) - Was meant to do 30..but got to the point where i break off for the extra 3 km loop and thought..bugger it...was feeling like i had had enough..so only did 27 and was pretty spent after. I think a sign that i need to take it easy for the next 6 days in prep for the run on Sunday

 

How is the rehab going?

 

Agree maybe take it easy for the week. You can't get any fitter / Faster between now and Sunday anyway, only bugger your race day up if all isn't well physically or mentally.

 

Rehab sucks. Got another one on one with the bio at lunchtime (#3 of 5). One thing this knee issue has done is force me to get back on my bike for the first time in 8 months. Forgot how hard a saddle is  

 

When i dusted the bike off i took the rear wheel out to put my training wheel in my MTB i saw i have two broken spokes on my normal wheel. Will have to get that sorted before i can hit the trails again. 

 

June's pain free running days seems like a distant memory now. But i wont feel sorry for myself as some of our comrades are far worse off than I.

 

Good luck for Sunday and post a race report on Monday.

[Jackes]

Well Done Jackes.

Had to run 3h on Saturday, but i wasn't in the mood to do my run on the tar, so i opt to do my 3h long run on the trail in Marloth Park, right next to the Kruger Park. Took it very easy and slow. Stopped a lot to take pictures of the wildlife and look at the views.

 Damm, this is how running should be!!! 

[Hacc]

Also had a *** run on Saturday, was supposed to run the club 25km, I ended up stopping at 20km. I am struggling with nausea while running for 10 months now. Been for a gastroscopy, scans, 4 doctors and they can't find anything wrong with me. Two doctors said it is my blood sugar and it is very difficult to test unless I go for a blood test directly after a run or while running. It happens at random times while running, sometimes I start off being nauseous, sometimes only at the end. 

 

I decided to go to a sports nutritionist this week. Has anyone else struggled with nausea? 

I am feeling desperate at the moment as I don't want to run Kaapse Hoop feeling like this.

[Stretch]

Also had a *** run on Saturday, was supposed to run the club 25km, I ended up stopping at 20km. I am struggling with nausea while running for 10 months now. Been for a gastroscopy, scans, 4 doctors and they can't find anything wrong with me. Two doctors said it is my blood sugar and it is very difficult to test unless I go for a blood test directly after a run or while running. It happens at random times while running, sometimes I start off being nauseous, sometimes only at the end. 

 

I decided to go to a sports nutritionist this week. Has anyone else struggled with nausea? 

I am feeling desperate at the moment as I don't want to run Kaapse Hoop feeling like this.

 

it can be quite common..but often related to drinking coke while running. Normally on longer distances though. My mate (who has now run 18 comrades) always has a few chunders in the last 20km or so of comrades 

[Jackes]

it can be quite common..but often related to drinking coke while running.

 

I avoid coke almost at all cost.

 

Oh, one other not so nice surprise I got on Saturday is that my nipples is not immune against chaffing on the other side of 25 km's.   Eish

 

BTW, my comrades colleaque (he has 10 now) struggles with his blood sugar dropping and he swears by Hammer Perpeteum, perhaps worth looking into?

Edited October 10, 2016 by Jackes

[SwissVan]

Also had a *** run on Saturday, was supposed to run the club 25km, I ended up stopping at 20km. I am struggling with nausea while running for 10 months now. Been for a gastroscopy, scans, 4 doctors and they can't find anything wrong with me. Two doctors said it is my blood sugar and it is very difficult to test unless I go for a blood test directly after a run or while running. It happens at random times while running, sometimes I start off being nauseous, sometimes only at the end. 

 

I decided to go to a sports nutritionist this week. Has anyone else struggled with nausea? 

I am feeling desperate at the moment as I don't want to run Kaapse Hoop feeling like this.

I have nausea issues in endurance events if I don't eat enough. Generally it starts after a couple of hrs and 20 minutes after finishing. I found that if start eating early (first 30 minutes) and keep on eating every 30 minutes then I don't get nausea. Only small amounts like a 1/4 piece of energy bar or anything solid at a time.

[SwissVan]

it can be quite common..but often related to drinking coke while running. Normally on longer distances though. My mate (who has now run 18 comrades) always has a few chunders in the last 20km or so of comrades

 

Might be drinking to much, if the fluids don't get absorbed the body will eject it. Absorption rates vary from person to person especially when exercising and following the "recommended" fluid intake can be bad for some people.

 

Edit: if he vomits up fluid only then it's a sign of to much fluid left in the stomach, if it's an empty vomit then maybe he should try eat more.

 

My wife drinks only coke and water and has never been sick once during 5 comrades and countless marafuns / ultras.

Edited October 10, 2016 by SwissVan

[Hacc]

I don't drink coke at all, except for the last 10kms of Comrades. On long runs I will drink water and energade/powerade if available. At the moment I eat every hour, half a racefood. 

 

My doctor said this is not enough and I need to change the intervals to every half an hour. She also suggested using gels instead of the racefood.  What do you do with the open gel, if you only use a little bit at a time?

[rudi-h]

I don't drink coke at all, except for the last 10kms of Comrades. On long runs I will drink water and energade/powerade if available. At the moment I eat every hour, half a racefood. 

 

My doctor said this is not enough and I need to change the intervals to every half an hour. She also suggested using gels instead of the racefood.  What do you do with the open gel, if you only use a little bit at a time?

 

Try the little goo bottles or the USN version coming in toothpaste tubes.  Both of these have lids / caps, so you can close it up and put it back in your pocket without getting sticky.

 

Gel sachets are the worst design imaginable and the litter of these silly packets are all over every bike path and run route everywhere.

[Hacc]

Try the little goo bottles or the USN version coming in toothpaste tubes.  Both of these have lids / caps, so you can close it up and put it back in your pocket without getting sticky.

 

Gel sachets are the worst design imaginable and the litter of these silly packets are all over every bike path and run route everywhere.

Thanks Rudi-H, I will try the tubes/ bottles. Nothing worse than a sachet sticking to your clothes. 

[SeaBee]

Hacc, I have had a sad history of late with nausea - and not only when running or riding. I will get back to my own stuff shortly.

 

As for some suggestions/questions above. Perpetuim may be a viable solution - a lot of people swear by it. And for running, those gel flasks works a treat and you can mix it like a batter consistency and drink your water separately. (A thing I started believing in of late is to separate hydration and nutrition...) 

 

Sachets - I tend to use a bit at a time. I utilise the gel in 2 or 3 sessions, just before a water table. Roll the open end and put it back in my pocket. 

 

First off, my issue was diagnosed after all kinds of probing - and it was due to my gall bladder removal. Now, years later, it sometimes happens that the gall pushes back (esp overnight) into the stomach. I now drink something for that and 90% (maybe more!) of my problems are sorted.

 

Things to also consider: a lot of the times nausea is caused by not enough water relative to nutrients, so your gut wall cannot transport it quickly enough, esp in low blood supply times. This is greatly why I started separating hydration and nutrition, to keep better tabs of what I actually put in. That is also why I like gels and easily digestible things - the less stress I can put on my stomach, the better. 

 

That's my 2c. Having shot my mouth off, I'll most likely loose my breakfast on my next run... 

[Hacc]

Thanks Seabee, I think I will switch to gels instead of the racefood.

I went to the sports dietician at TUKS HPC. She said I am not eating enough while training.

Half a racefood every hour is 15g of carbs and I need 30g per hour. 

 

I will follow her eating plan in the next month and see how it goes.

 

I am looking forward to a run not feeling nauseous. 

[ScottCM]

I don't know if this is relevant but when i first started riding cycle events i kept getting nauseous. I couldn't figure out what it was and eventually by eliminating certain things over a peroid of a few years i have been able to ride and now run without the issue. The things i eliminated that seemed to help was energade and powerade. If i drank Game i was fine. I now drink 32GI as its not as strong as game but my body is good with it. I did an event in the beginning of the year and i had run out of 32GI during the event and took on some powerade and bang wasn't feeling to kosher again. 

 

Now i am not a scientist and have absolutely no proof that it is 100% the cause of the issue , all i am saying is that, that is how it would seem, so people with the big bucks please don't sue me for what ever legal term i might have broken by naming you in my fairy tale. 

[Stretch]

Thanks Seabee, I think I will switch to gels instead of the racefood.

I went to the sports dietician at TUKS HPC. She said I am not eating enough while training.

Half a racefood every hour is 15g of carbs and I need 30g per hour. 

 

I will follow her eating plan in the next month and see how it goes.

 

I am looking forward to a run not feeling nauseous. 

 

i eat nothing and have two water stops on my 30km long run. My feeling is that you have to train your body to pull reserves from itself. Obviously over a distance you will need to eat.

 

as a matter of interest my comrades eating plan was:

approx s x 15cm dry wors

half a bovril sandwich

a few potatoes (and one spat out disgusting cooking chocolate thing they gave us)

a few jelly babies

3 x sachets of rehidrate

3 x gu's (might have been 4)

[SeaBee]

On racefood - I use some of that before races and eat some bars (mainly 32GI bars) early in some trail runs. On road I eat a bar beforehand and gels during. 

 

Ja, like Scott also eluded - it is highly individual. So what works for one person may not for the other. 

[Raab]

Tailwind okes, try it. Works great as it is not as sweet as a lot of the other energy supplements.