DJuice Posted August 21, 2018 Share Barry Candz1 Thank you for your replies. Got the number for Durban Runner going to give them a call. candz1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudsimus Posted August 21, 2018 Share While on the Hoka subject, who else is running with the Cliftons? I bought a pair a few months ago, but I just dont feel the hype. They feel very sluggish and heavy. Maybe Im just used to the more responsive ride of Nike. Barry Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted August 21, 2018 Share they should rather maybe stop looking at the entry side and start looking at the tons of plastic waste the competitors are going to litter over the route #ICarryMyOwnWhile I strongly agree with the reduction of plastic... providing facilities to wet yourself to keep your core temp down is very difficult. In days gone by we had sponges and troughs of water but this would not fly now. The second difficulty is stopping to fill up your water at every table... Thats gonna lose you 15 plus minutes over the course of the race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted August 21, 2018 Share While I strongly agree with the reduction of plastic... providing facilities to wet yourself to keep your core temp down is very difficult. In days gone by we had sponges and troughs of water but this would not fly now. The second difficulty is stopping to fill up your water at every table... Thats gonna lose you 15 plus minutes over the course of the race How do the trail runners manage then? Everyone will lose the same 15 mins, or you just wear a running pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted August 21, 2018 Share While on the Hoka subject, who else is running with the Cliftons? I bought a pair a few months ago, but I just dont feel the hype. They feel very sluggish and heavy. Maybe Im just used to the more responsive ride of Nike. I must say I have also felt they feel a bit sluggish, but on longer runs I feel less aches and pains during and after the run so I guess it is a compromise. I think for up to marathon distance racing there are definitely faster shoes, but for training and for longer races they are awesome. Barry Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudsimus Posted August 21, 2018 Share I must say I have also felt they feel a bit sluggish, but on longer runs I feel less aches and pains during and after the run so I guess it is a compromise. I think for up to marathon distance racing there are definitely faster shoes, but for training and for longer races they are awesome.They are definitely comfortable on easy long runs. This morning I did a 10k tempo run and I laboured all the way, almost 2 mins slower than last week. Its probably not fair to rate them on what they aren't designed for. Barry Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted August 21, 2018 Share They are definitely comfortable on easy long runs. This morning I did a 10k tempo run and I laboured all the way, almost 2 mins slower than last week. Its probably not fair to rate them on what they aren't designed for. I am keen to try out the new Hoka Mach for shorter runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted August 21, 2018 Share How do the trail runners manage then? Everyone will lose the same 15 mins, or you just wear a running pack?My point is you are not gonna convince 15k people to run comrades with a hydration pack... Myself included. 15 mins is 15 mins further away from a silver, bill Rowan, bronze or finishers medal The reality is that the amount of plastic can be easily recycled if competitors focus on disposal in designated bins..I would rather pay attention to education on responsible disposal with consequences for being caught disposing outside designated areas Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJuice Posted August 21, 2018 Share Got sorted with Hoka Clifton in 2E wide.Always wear "to much" shoe for my needs, weigh 63kg run arund 35km per week.Looking for cushioned, super soft due to heel issues. Unfortunately can`t comment on fast or slow, my reference are Nike Voomero, Nike Pegasus and NB 890, never worm race shoes. Times differ, but more due to lack of training than slow non responsive shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted August 21, 2018 Share While on the Hoka subject, who else is running with the Cliftons? I bought a pair a few months ago, but I just dont feel the hype. They feel very sluggish and heavy. Maybe Im just used to the more responsive ride of Nike. I tried on a pair of Asics Nimbus the other day (my old go-to shoes) about 18 months after changing to Hoka (Clifton 3 & 4). It felt like I was standing on steel beams. I was amazed at how I'd gotten used to the softness. (I too have never worn a race shoe, nor have any need for it, but I do know cliftons are quietly packing more weight every new version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddaman Posted August 21, 2018 Share How do the trail runners manage then? Everyone will lose the same 15 mins, or you just wear a running pack?How do trail runners manage? Firstly, we limit the number of entries to about 200 runners for distances over 30kms, which then reduces the congestion at the tables. secondly, we as runners plan a bit better. We calculate that a 2l pack should last about 15km, so if we plan to run through (or grab and dash) the first two watering points then we can have a "rest" on the later watering tables when refuelling Thirdly, we now carry our own cups/bottles so that when we "grab and dash" there is nothing to throw away. Lastly, when we get it wrong, we get it horribly wrong, and have to suffer horribly until the next feed station. ps ice cold streams are great for cooling down in, but if it is hot and dry, these are not an option then it is back to point four. Frosty, candz1, HDW and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaBee Posted August 21, 2018 Share ...and in the light of getting it horribly wrong - when in that level of trouble, we mostly revert to the hope (belief, at that stage!) that there's beer at the end. Barry Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted August 22, 2018 Share Anyone heard of (or done) the Heaven & Hell marathon? Alpine Swift trails, Southern Drakensberg. 3700m ascent over 44kms!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted August 22, 2018 Share yup, if you know Hilton you will know it will be a proper run... This is the guy that comes to Wartrail challenge, beats us all to Balloch(55km), then continues on to do a full 100km Skyrun for fun... Raab and CobusV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted August 22, 2018 Share Mrs and I are seconds away form committing to this next year, its just so close to Karkloof and we may want to step up to 100 miler next year (depending how next month goes) decisions.. Barry Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted August 22, 2018 Share very different runs hey, karkloof flat and fast and all runable, this will be more like skyrun, technical and steep and high altitude. Raab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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