Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[dave303e]

Training for worlds in November I have been doing comfortably 15 to 30 hour weeks. 

 

Last week I rode and ran during the week (roughly 8 hours) and raced the wcad24 for 23 hours.

 

Ran again on Monday, rode Tuesday and this morning and will keep going until after the U mid October.

 

I sometimes clear my inbox early (like half past 4) then head out up the mountain or on the road, at the desk by 9, leave work between 4 and 6 pm and head out again or go for a surf.

 

Weekends I will put in 10 hours plus.

 

There is always time if you make it. 

 

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[Chris_]

Training for worlds in November I have been doing comfortably 15 to 30 hour weeks. 

 

Last week I rode and ran during the week (roughly 8 hours) and raced the wcad24 for 23 hours.

 

Ran again on Monday, rode Tuesday and this morning and will keep going until after the U mid October.

 

I sometimes clear my inbox early (like half past 4) then head out up the mountain or on the road, at the desk by 9, leave work between 4 and 6 pm and head out again or go for a surf.

 

Weekends I will put in 10 hours plus.

 

There is always time if you make it. 

 

What life are you living?!

 

(and do you have a job opening?)

[JuddMan]

So I have identified the Johnson Crane (Jan '19) as a possibility for my first half marathon.

 

i would just like a bit of input with regards to the training i would need to do.

 

i have found this training plan here: https://www.runnersworld.co.za/training/12-week-half-marathon-plan-beginners/

 

What are your thoughts? What I find very confusing is that they state "This beginner plan is for those who are consistently running 25 to 30 kilometres a week, with a long run of at least 10km" yet the first 3 weeks don't even breach 20km?

[JuddMan]

Also, what is your review on the apple watch series 3 with regards to running?

 

I currently have a Tom Tom runner (one off the first series, no heart rate (without the strap)) and looking to get a better watch. I don't have the finances to fork out R4k+ on a Suunto Spartan on anything like that. The apple watch would come through the Vitality benefit.

[Ronniek]

Also, what is your review on the apple watch series 3 with regards to running?

 

I currently have a Tom Tom runner (one off the first series, no heart rate (without the strap)) and looking to get a better watch. I don't have the finances to fork out R4k+ on a Suunto Spartan on anything like that. The apple watch would come through the Vitality benefit.

Out of principal I wouldn’t buy another device via vitality. Left a nasty taste in my mouth few years back when they all a sudden changed the points allocation. A person doing a park run all of a sudden scored more points than my 2:00-2:30 hour long run on a weekend. They eventually rectified it and you could apply for the endurance and high performance category but ja, once bitten twice shy and all of that. When I graduated to marathons I bought a Tomtom runner 3 via Fnb’s devices, paying it off over 2 years worked out cheaper than buying one cash.

[SwissVan]

So I have identified the Johnson Crane (Jan '19) as a possibility for my first half marathon.

 

i would just like a bit of input with regards to the training i would need to do.

 

i have found this training plan here: https://www.runnersworld.co.za/training/12-week-half-marathon-plan-beginners/

 

What are your thoughts? What I find very confusing is that they state "This beginner plan is for those who are consistently running 25 to 30 kilometres a week, with a long run of at least 10km" yet the first 3 weeks don't even breach 20km?

It’s not a beginner running program but a beginner 21 km plan, in other words for someone who already has a running base fitness of 25-30km/week.

 

Typically most training programs will start with less than race distance / week in the beginning and build up to it and more as the weeks progress. For a complete beginner runner this would take much more than 3 weeks.

Edited September 20, 2018 by SwissVan

['Kaze Pete]

So I have identified the Johnson Crane (Jan '19) as a possibility for my first half marathon.

 

i would just like a bit of input with regards to the training i would need to do.

 

i have found this training plan here: https://www.runnersworld.co.za/training/12-week-half-marathon-plan-beginners/

 

What are your thoughts? What I find very confusing is that they state "This beginner plan is for those who are consistently running 25 to 30 kilometres a week, with a long run of at least 10km" yet the first 3 weeks don't even breach 20km?

for a first, with a finish and not a place as the target I assume, all you need to do is run. If you are not at 20km/week yet maybe aim for a 15km race like the one at Wits.

 

If you are hitting 20+ a week consistently, just start adding mileage S-L-O-W-L-Y

 

Make sure you start doing a long run (relative to where you are) once a week. For a half you should be fine with a longest regular run of around 15km.

 

Forget about about speed work or funky techniques or special programs. Just run. Regularly. Without fail.

 

If you fail to run a day, don’t sweat it, carry on the next day as what is lost is lost.

 

Running is a game of perseverance, not special techniques.

[JuddMan]

It’s not a beginner running program but a beginner 21 km plan, in other words for someone who already has a running base fitness of 25-30km/week.

 

Typically most training programs will start with less than race distance / week in the beginning and build up to it and more as the weeks progress. For a complete beginner runner this would take much more than 3 weeks.

I see what you mean. Thank you. I am busy running about 3/4 times a week now, albeit small distances, I am doing it. My idea is to start this program in November so I should have that 25km weekly base by then. Thanks for the help????

[JuddMan]

for a first, with a finish and not a place as the target I assume, all you need to do is run. If you are not at 20km/week yet maybe aim for a 15km race like the one at Wits.

 

If you are hitting 20+ a week consistently, just start adding mileage S-L-O-W-L-Y

 

Make sure you start doing a long run (relative to where you are) once a week. For a half you should be fine with a longest regular run of around 15km.

 

Forget about about speed work or funky techniques or special programs. Just run. Regularly. Without fail.

 

If you fail to run a day, don’t sweat it, carry on the next day as what is lost is lost.

 

Running is a game of perseverance, not special techniques.

Yes. I want to finish a 21km and take it from there. I appreciate your advice. Thank you

[dave303e]

Yes. I want to finish a 21km and take it from there. I appreciate your advice. Thank you

 

Kaze Pete has it right, if you have time just up the distance slowly and you should be hundreds hey...

[mon-goose]

don't buy tomtom as they are out of the country end of this year. Look on daily deals and takealot as they often have specials on suunto

['Kaze Pete]

I see what you mean. Thank you. I am busy running about 3/4 times a week now, albeit small distances, I am doing it. My idea is to start this program in November so I should have that 25km weekly base by then. Thanks for the help????

Any perceptions you have of increasing training tempo or volume based on cycling habits will only lead to injury when applied to running.

 

Be gentle with running, she is a tough mistress to have and demand utter respect and gentleness.

 

Treat her right and the rewards are massive. Not, and you are in for lots of misery

[dave303e]

Must say I am rather happy with my Suunto Spartan Trainer and value for money and functionality I really can't see much competing with it. The South Africa Extended Warranty is also a killer blow for other brands in the extended warranty is the following:

 

 1 Complimentary USB Charging Cable over the 5-year period

 5 Complimentary watch services at one per year

 3 Complimentary Watch strap changes over the 5-year period

 2 Complimentary HR belt strap changes over the 5-year period

 5 Complimentary Battery replacements for HR Belt over the 5-year period

 Unlimited software updates.

 T&C’s apply

 Valid only in South Africa

 Valid for 5 years from date of proof of purchase

 

I have been lent the new Suunto 9 for Karkloof this weekend, will let you know how it goes, they claim 120 hours of GPS lifetime in ultra mode with 25hours in performance mode so this will be a good test...

[mon-goose]

 

Must say I am rather happy with my Suunto Spartan Trainer and value for money and functionality I really can't see much competing with it. The South Africa Extended Warranty is also a killer blow for other brands in the extended warranty is the following:

 

 1 Complimentary USB Charging Cable over the 5-year period

 5 Complimentary watch services at one per year

 3 Complimentary Watch strap changes over the 5-year period

 2 Complimentary HR belt strap changes over the 5-year period

 5 Complimentary Battery replacements for HR Belt over the 5-year period

 Unlimited software updates.

 T&C’s apply

 Valid only in South Africa

 Valid for 5 years from date of proof of purchase

 

I have been lent the new Suunto 9 for Karkloof this weekend, will let you know how it goes, they claim 120 hours of GPS lifetime in ultra mode with 25hours in performance mode so this will be a good test...

 

Hi Dave, where did you see these benefits? I've got the spartan trainer and would be useful to remember these

[JuddMan]

Any perceptions you have of increasing training tempo or volume based on cycling habits will only lead to injury when applied to running.

 

Be gentle with running, she is a tough mistress to have and demand utter respect and gentleness.

 

Treat her right and the rewards are massive. Not, and you are in for lots of misery

 

Absolutely. I was never much of a cyclist so I have no former experience with cycling (that bug never really bit me). but running has, and hard.

 

for now, its all about getting out there and doing some running. Small distances for now. Will increase carefully. Thats why my first half marathon is in January, giving me 3/4 months of preperations. Done a few 10kms before and 2 15km. have a 15km planned for the 31st of october (night race)

[SeaBee]

If you're already racing a 15k, then a 21 finish should not be an issue. Do a couple of nice and slow 17-18 k runs before the 21 just for gradual increase and you'll be fine.

 

Like everybody has said - gradual increase in pace or tempo (not both!) weekly and you'll remain healthy and enjoying it.