Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Nope. It doesn't spike the insulin levels. You dont get addicted to it - I' have been using it as my only source of sugar for the past year. Not that I use a lot - I bought a kg of it a year ago and there's still some left - but can't say that I 'need' sweet things. I use it to bake sweet things for when I go to parties and I know there will be sweet thingsSpurred me to read about it - thanks, and I stand corrected. However - it's still a sweetener, and still doesn't get around the getting rid of sweet things and added sugar. It still has empty calories (as does beer, though) so for the purposes of this, at least for me, it's a no-go I don't want to replace sugar. I want to minimise it. Using xylitol as a substitute will continue to feed my sweet tooth. EDIT: Perhaps I'm being a bit to militant here. I accept that I will have momentary lapses, but while I'm still trying to limit the "***" I don't want to risk the potential of convincing myself that because I replace Sugar with Xylitol (or something else) that all of a sudden that type of food is automatically better, when it's not. Cake with xylitol is still cake. Coffee with xylitol still tastes like coffee with sugar, so I'm still feeding that sweet tooth... If something has naturally occurring sugars in it, and it's part of some larger food, then great (like an orange, apple, milk products & lactose etc) But I don't want to fool myself into thinking that I can automatically replace sugar with some other "better" sweetener and it'll magically be alright.
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 One thing that constantly pops up in these "diets" is extremism.Me - I'm not a big fan of extremism. I don't think cutting out anything 100% is "good" for you.My eating spectrum has two ends - super healthy but mega grumpy and super happy but mega unhealthy.On the SHMG (super healthy mega grumpy) end are vegetables, lean meat, fruit, no sugar, no excessive fats, no empty calories. Really good for you but I's slit my wrists after 3 months at this end of the spectrum.On the SHMU (super happy mega unhealthy) end are crumpets, muffins, chocolate, sugar, sugar, cake, coke etc. If I lived on this end of the specturm for 3 months I'd be obese and useless.One cannot live on either end of the spectrum - the right place is somewhere in the middle. I shift from the middle closer to each end depending on the time of year, injury, racing etc. Its a lifestyle really - when I'm training hard for a specfic goal the junk food seems to be less appealing because I know it's slowing me down - when I'm injured or between training programmes I let go and have some fun with food.As I always say - some food is good for your body and some food is good for your soul.Balance :-)
BuffsVintageBikes Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I've been on the no sugar, starch or dairy thing for 15days now as part of our crossfit gym challenge and its quite amazing to witness how your taste buds start appreciating good food after a while. Where I used to find steamed veggies very bland I now love the tastes. It's been a revelation. The cravings are now also gone, I can watch my family enjoy pudding and it doesn't bother me in the least (thank God). The first week was hell though but if you stick it out it's like a light switch that flips.
Raydek Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 One thing that constantly pops up in these "diets" is extremism.Me - I'm not a big fan of extremism. I don't think cutting out anything 100% is "good" for you.My eating spectrum has two ends - super healthy but mega grumpy and super happy but mega unhealthy.On the SHMG (super healthy mega grumpy) end are vegetables, lean meat, fruit, no sugar, no excessive fats, no empty calories. Really good for you but I's slit my wrists after 3 months at this end of the spectrum.On the SHMU (super happy mega unhealthy) end are crumpets, muffins, chocolate, sugar, sugar, cake, coke etc. If I lived on this end of the specturm for 3 months I'd be obese and useless.One cannot live on either end of the spectrum - the right place is somewhere in the middle. I shift from the middle closer to each end depending on the time of year, injury, racing etc. Its a lifestyle really - when I'm training hard for a specfic goal the junk food seems to be less appealing because I know it's slowing me down - when I'm injured or between training programmes I let go and have some fun with food.As I always say - some food is good for your body and some food is good for your soul.Balance :-) Lived by this for some time now!! I feed my soul on weekends.. My body during the week.
MTBeer Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 One thing that constantly pops up in these "diets" is extremism.Me - I'm not a big fan of extremism. I don't think cutting out anything 100% is "good" for you.My eating spectrum has two ends - super healthy but mega grumpy and super happy but mega unhealthy.On the SHMG (super healthy mega grumpy) end are vegetables, lean meat, fruit, no sugar, no excessive fats, no empty calories. Really good for you but I's slit my wrists after 3 months at this end of the spectrum.On the SHMU (super happy mega unhealthy) end are crumpets, muffins, chocolate, sugar, sugar, cake, coke etc. If I lived on this end of the specturm for 3 months I'd be obese and useless.One cannot live on either end of the spectrum - the right place is somewhere in the middle. I shift from the middle closer to each end depending on the time of year, injury, racing etc. Its a lifestyle really - when I'm training hard for a specfic goal the junk food seems to be less appealing because I know it's slowing me down - when I'm injured or between training programmes I let go and have some fun with food.As I always say - some food is good for your body and some food is good for your soul.Balance :-)Ja, a shot of heroin every second weekend, a smoke with your beer, xyz chemical in your food. Don't stress too much about it as long as you are happy.
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Lived by this for some time now!! I feed my soul on weekends.. My body during the week.Amen brother :-)One positive thing about all these diets is the focus on the healthy eating - banting, paleo, HFLC, no sugar etc all highlight the fact that "modern food" is processed to within an inch of it's life and loaded with sugar.The awareness of what goes into food and the trend toward unprocessed food can only improve the health of the globe's population.
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Ja, a shot of heroin every second weekend, a smoke with your beer, xyz chemical in your food. Don't stress too much about it as long as you are happy.HUH?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 One thing that constantly pops up in these "diets" is extremism.Me - I'm not a big fan of extremism. I don't think cutting out anything 100% is "good" for you.My eating spectrum has two ends - super healthy but mega grumpy and super happy but mega unhealthy.On the SHMG (super healthy mega grumpy) end are vegetables, lean meat, fruit, no sugar, no excessive fats, no empty calories. Really good for you but I's slit my wrists after 3 months at this end of the spectrum.On the SHMU (super happy mega unhealthy) end are crumpets, muffins, chocolate, sugar, sugar, cake, coke etc. If I lived on this end of the specturm for 3 months I'd be obese and useless.One cannot live on either end of the spectrum - the right place is somewhere in the middle. I shift from the middle closer to each end depending on the time of year, injury, racing etc. Its a lifestyle really - when I'm training hard for a specfic goal the junk food seems to be less appealing because I know it's slowing me down - when I'm injured or between training programmes I let go and have some fun with food.As I always say - some food is good for your body and some food is good for your soul.Balance :-)agreed, Eldron. For me, for the moment though, I'm trying to right all the wrongs of the last 10 years. For the moment, that means cutting out as much of the shaite as I possibly can, and ramping the exerci I may crumble one day of the week, I may not. But if I do, it happens. It's normally beer that does it, but hell. I'll try to limit as much of the extra, un-necessary shaite as I can. Until I'm back at that healthy, happy place.
MTBeer Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 HUH?just saying sugar is a chemical with massive health repercussions for millions of people. trying to be 100% sugar free is not extremism in any way - it is 100% good sense. I get what you were saying - just stirring a bit
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 agreed, Eldron. For me, for the moment though, I'm trying to right all the wrongs of the last 10 years. For the moment, that means cutting out as much of the shaite as I possibly can, and ramping the exerci I may crumble one day of the week, I may not. But if I do, it happens. It's normally beer that does it, but hell. I'll try to limit as much of the extra, un-necessary shaite as I can. Until I'm back at that healthy, happy place. Oddly enough I am a big fan of "short term" fad diets - if you're 80kg and your healthy weight is 70kg there is nothing wrong in going all "food nazi" until you hit your target weight. The key is not to go back to the eating habits that caused the 80kg - "food nazi fad diet" followed by balanced good/bad eating plan is perfect.I do it. If I have a particularly bad winter/injury and need to shed weight quick I head a bit towards the SHMG end of the spectrum and stay there until I'm happy with my weight :-)
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Oddly enough I am a big fan of "short term" fad diets - if you're 80kg and your healthy weight is 70kg there is nothing wrong in going all "food nazi" until you hit your target weight. The key is not to go back to the eating habits that caused the 80kg - "food nazi fad diet" followed by balanced good/bad eating plan is perfect.I do it. If I have a particularly bad winter/injury and need to shed weight quick I head a bit towards the SHMG end of the spectrum and stay there until I'm happy with my weight :-)yes. To me, the substitution of xylitol for sugar won't get me there. I'll still be feeding that sweet tooth. Cake with xylitol is still cake. It doesn't magically get better...
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 just saying sugar is a chemical with massive health repercussions for millions of people. trying to be 100% sugar free is not extremism in any way - it is 100% good sense. I get what you were saying - just stirring a bitI counter sitr :-) Sugar is a refined processed natural product that can potentially cause health issues if abused. In "normal" quantities it has little to no negative effect on the body.Sugar is not cocaine or evil or bad - it's only if we're oblivious to our sugar intake that sugar is a bad thing. This whole SUGAR IS EVIL thing reminds me of the "Macdonalds makes you fat" era.Sugar is fine - too much sugar is bad.
Wayne Potgieter Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 Oddly enough I am a big fan of "short term" fad diets - if you're 80kg and your healthy weight is 70kg there is nothing wrong in going all "food nazi" until you hit your target weight. The key is not to go back to the eating habits that caused the 80kg - "food nazi fad diet" followed by balanced good/bad eating plan is perfect.I do it. If I have a particularly bad winter/injury and need to shed weight quick I head a bit towards the SHMG end of the spectrum and stay there until I'm happy with my weight :-)Hi, my name is Wayne. I am currently 76kg and looking to be 70kg. Eldrons girlfriend introduced me to the dangers of sugar and turned me into a food nazi. At 70kgs i will stop being a nazi and soften up to a kkk level freak to sustain it. (maybe then my power to weight ratio will improve slightly and Eldron wont lap me in the red forest section at modders. - not that i am bitter about it, but if he does it again, i will burn down his bike room)
Eldron Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 yes. To me, the substitution of xylitol for sugar won't get me there. I'll still be feeding that sweet tooth. Cake with xylitol is still cake. It doesn't magically get better... Agreed. Some people change a habit best by going cold turkey then reintroducing slowly at a healthy/acceptable level. Nothing wrong with that.I'm not a big fan of sugar substitutes. I'd rather have zero sugar than any of the "sweeteners".
MTBeer Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I counter sitr :-) Sugar is a refined processed natural product that can potentially cause health issues if abused. In "normal" quantities it has little to no negative effect on the body.Sugar is not cocaine or evil or bad - it's only if we're oblivious to our sugar intake that sugar is a bad thing. This whole SUGAR IS EVIL thing reminds me of the "Macdonalds makes you fat" era.Sugar is fine - too much sugar is bad.fair enough I see you say "normal quantities". I guess the question should be what is normal. Is the odd shnarff of cocaine harmful? I'm talking 'normal quantities' obviously.
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