Epicbikeshop Cape Town . .VAT refund missing!

[Longbarn Killer]

no one here has seen orignal documents so is jumping to conclusions appropriate?

I have seen them. No conclusions, just facts

[Skylark]

HAVE you paid EU VAT, or not?

If he didn't pay EU vat would you then see it as acceptable that Epicbikeshop mislead him about the supplying of a vat invoice and sent what appears to be a very suspect invoice for Sars to inspect?

 

What vat number did Epicbikeshop use on that invoice if the vat registration is still pending?

 

The correct method is claim the vat back from the country you visit when you exit and pay the vat of your home country when you arrive home. Your home country doesn't listen to "I didn't get a vat invoice" sob stories when you get knocked with vat again that side, they don't care what vat was or wasn't refunded at the exit point of the country the item was purchased at.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

If he didn't pay EU vat would you then see it as acceptable that Epicbikeshop mislead him about the supplying of a vat invoice and sent what appears to be a very suspect invoice for Sars to inspect?

 

What vat number was used if the vat registration is still pending?

 

No, I wouldn't. But then we don't know that the invoice holds a falsified VAT number, all we know is that the VAT number isn't yet registered (as per the screenshot that someone posted earlier)

[Skylark]

No, I wouldn't. But then we don't know that the invoice holds a falsified VAT number, all we know is that the VAT number isn't yet registered (as per the screenshot that someone posted earlier)

As far as I know you don't get allocated a vat number until the registration has been finalised.

[raptor-22]

I have seen them. No conclusions, just facts

 

 

The actual orignal invoice or the posted image?

The original emails too?

[Icycling]

If he didn't pay EU vat would you then see it as acceptable that Epicbikeshop mislead him about the supplying of a vat invoice and sent what appears to be a very suspect invoice for Sars to inspect?

 

What vat number did Epicbikeshop use on that invoice if the vat registration is still pending?

 

The correct method is claim the vat back from the country you visit when you exit and pay the vat of your home country when you arrive home. Your home country doesn't listen to "I didn't get a vat invoice" sob stories when you get knocked with vat again that side, they don't care what vat was or wasn't refunded at the exit point of the country the item was purchased at.

If Americo has paid EU Vat my sympathy would certainly ly with Americo. Americo again as asked by several other did you pay the VAT in your region?

 

I have already suggested that even SARS may show sympathy too Americo even if it were for a lesser Vat amount i.e. Epic vat invoice from the supplier and the Americo getting the Vat back on that invoice - 1 step back in the chain. No doubt this would still be a very hard negotiation with SARS and may end in flat refusal from SARS side.

 

From Americo 1st post in this thread - it does seem that Epic did not provide a Vat number / Tax Invoice - what happened since I cannot comment. So I am not sure how misleading Epic initially really were.

 

Assuming Americo did not pay EU vat then I would suggest that he just let it be.

 

On the math side of things Vat is 14% in RSA and apparently in his country it is over 20% (I cannot say this for sure) - thus he is already 6% or more better off. It may not be the whole cake which is what Americo was after by not declaring the bike on arrival at the EU but it is something!

 

[KingTJ]

If Americo has paid EU Vat my sympathy would certainly ly with Americo. Americo again as asked by several other did you pay the VAT in your region?

I have already suggested that even SARS may show sympathy too Americo even if it were for a lesser Vat amount i.e. Epic vat invoice from the supplier and the Americo getting the Vat back on that invoice - 1 step back in the chain. No doubt this would still be a very hard negotiation with SARS and may end in flat refusal from SARS side.

From Americo 1st post in this thread - it does seem that Epic did not provide a Vat number / Tax Invoice - what happened since I cannot comment. So I am not sure how misleading Epic initially really were.

Assuming Americo did not pay EU vat then I would suggest that he just let it be.

On the math side of things Vat is 14% in RSA and apparently in his country it is over 20% (I cannot say this for sure) - thus he is already 6% or more better off. It may not be the whole cake which is what Americo was after by not declaring the bike on arrival at the EU but it is something!

 

How much is epic paying to make the these comments? Or are you just trying to be obtuse and not understand the facts....or do you want us to spell it out for you...your grasping of Sars, the VAT system is lacking to say the least.

 

Stop trying to take the conversation in a direction that no one cares about (except you and Epic). Sars is not going to do anything to Americo, do you understand it??? Read previous comments...

 

Epic must answer 1 question, why did they give a (alledgedly) false VAT number on the invoice?? If you cannot answer it then dont bother commenting.

 

We wait for Epic to answer.

[Americo]

How much is epic paying to make the these comments? Or are you just trying to be obtuse and not understand the facts....or do you want us to spell it out for you...your grasping of Sars, the VAT system is lacking to say the least.

 

Stop trying to take the conversation in a direction that no one cares about (except you and Epic). Sars is not going to do anything to Americo, do you understand it??? Read previous comments...

 

Epic must answer 1 question, why did they give a (alledgedly) false VAT number on the invoice?? If you cannot answer it then dont bother commenting.

 

We wait for Epic to answer.

Thanks KingTJ

 

I'm glad that some of you guys got the whole point of this topic and really tired about some members trying to do whatever is possible to bring the issue away

 

Let's wait to hear from epic about the VAT number on the invoice

 

Also seeing that some of you are doubting the emails and Invoice I could forward the emails with the conversation I had with epic and invoice to an administrator of this forum.

[Icycling]

How much is epic paying to make the these comments? Or are you just trying to be obtuse and not understand the facts....or do you want us to spell it out for you...your grasping of Sars, the VAT system is lacking to say the least.

 

Stop trying to take the conversation in a direction that no one cares about (except you and Epic). Sars is not going to do anything to Americo, do you understand it??? Read previous comments...

 

Epic must answer 1 question, why did they give a (alledgedly) false VAT number on the invoice?? If you cannot answer it then dont bother commenting.

 

We wait for Epic to answer.

Epic shop is paying me ZERO. But a do make a living out of importing bicycle parts and wheels. So from Page 6 of this thread and my commenst their:

 

"But as a importer of cycle product into RSA - I do like to be given a fair chance to make a living, by saying this, as I am subjected to Vat on my goods arriving in RSA, I would like to feel that the playing field are level. Thus people who go overseas and purchase items and come back to RSA and walk through customs without paying Vat / duties / clearing fees etc aggravates me.

 

No doubt importer / wholesalers in Americo land of origin - lets call it Italy - feel the same way.

 

I am by no means suggestion VAT should be paid in 2 different regions but I am suggesting they should be paid in 1."

[Icycling]

Thanks KingTJ

 

I'm glad that some of you guys got the whole point of this topic and really tired about some members trying to do whatever is possible to bring the issue away

 

Let's wait to hear from epic about the VAT number on the invoice

 

Also seeing that some of you are doubting the emails and Invoice I could forward the emails with the conversation I had with epic and invoice to an administrator of this forum.

You still have not answered the question did you pay the Vat in the region you live? Till you have answered that (with proof) your argument is leaving out some very important facts.

 

From you opening statement:

 

"When I went to the VAT Refund office the person working there checked the bicycle and when she took a look at the invoice she told me that the VAT number of the store was missing from the letter."

 

You talk about a Invoice there with no Vat number and it been a letter. You expect Epic bike shop to know the Vat rules and regulation which as they appear not to be Vat registers are not part of the Vat system? Is it not safe to assume that they may know as much as you do or less in this regard?

 

For educational purposes for hubbers - A person / company who know the Vat system would know that the Invoice needs to say TAX INVOICE with shop name and address along with Vat number and date. For amounts over Rxxxx.xx the other person /companies name should also appear with address and preferable with that companies Vat number.  Can even be hand written - an example from a Invoice book I purchased at either pick ’n Pay or CNA!

 

[urbanroyal]

Hand written ..typed out...pre printed...who cares. ...bottom line...Epic..false Vat number...equals fraud....what Americo did in Italy...not our problem...to have a shop in our backyard do this...not cool...????????????

[GrahamS2]

 Lets face it a lot of people take chances and try not to declare goods - but then they are not entitles to receive vat refund from the land where they purchased the goods.

LOL. The taxation laws of 2 countries have absolutely no bearing on each other.

 

What happens if I pay VAT on something that is tax exempt in my own country? Am I still 'not entitled' to claim a tax refund? The issue here is simple misrepresentation by a business. SARS will have a field day.

[ahp005]

You still have not answered the question did you pay the Vat in the region you live? Till you have answered that (with proof) your argument is leaving out some very important facts.

 

From you opening statement:

 

"When I went to the VAT Refund office the person working there checked the bicycle and when she took a look at the invoice she told me that the VAT number of the store was missing from the letter."

 

You talk about a Invoice there with no Vat number and it been a letter. You expect Epic bike shop to know the Vat rules and regulation which as they appear not to be Vat registers are not part of the Vat system? Is it not safe to assume that they may know as much as you do or less in this regard?

 

For educational purposes for hubbers - A person / company who know the Vat system would know that the Invoice needs to say TAX INVOICE with shop name and address along with Vat number and date. For amounts over Rxxxx.xx the other person /companies name should also appear with address and preferable with that companies Vat number.  Can even be hand written - an example from a Invoice book I purchased at either pick ’n Pay or CNA!

 

What does it matter if he paid the vat or not it is the epic bike shop that committed the fraud with there false Vat number. 

[Bubbles_25]

So if Epic are charging VAT with this false VAT number, surely they are not processing returns and making payment to SARS of this VAT.  Where is all this money going? This can add up to a nice amount of money come month end.

 

Besides the transaction in question, what about all of the other sales that Epic are making VAT inclusive when there should in fact be zero VAT charged?

[raptor-22]

speculation getting out of control here and just plain silly.

 

its already been explained that VAT has to bee charged and is built into the price. That is by law.

[Edge_Design]

You still have not answered the question did you pay the Vat in the region you live? Till you have answered that (with proof) your argument is leaving out some very important facts.

 

From you opening statement:

 

"When I went to the VAT Refund office the person working there checked the bicycle and when she took a look at the invoice she told me that the VAT number of the store was missing from the letter."

 

You talk about a Invoice there with no Vat number and it been a letter. You expect Epic bike shop to know the Vat rules and regulation which as they appear not to be Vat registers are not part of the Vat system? Is it not safe to assume that they may know as much as you do or less in this regard?

 

For educational purposes for hubbers - A person / company who know the Vat system would know that the Invoice needs to say TAX INVOICE with shop name and address along with Vat number and date. For amounts over Rxxxx.xx the other person /companies name should also appear with address and preferable with that companies Vat number.  Can even be hand written - an example from a Invoice book I purchased at either pick ’n Pay or CNA!

 

 

Why are you trying so hard to discredit the OP? I'm trying hard to avoid joining the debate, but your VAT knowledge is not as good as some of the other people in this debate (you clearly have a fair amount of practical experience from which you have drawn your own conclusions/assumptions, but limited or no theoretical knowledge of the Act - this is fairly standard for importers so no offense intended at all). The chances are pretty good we would have found you (and most other people in this debate) in the "Nothing to Declare" line at the airport with your holiday shopping in your bags at some point. 

 

I have also seen many suggestions on the hub on how to get around VAT and Duties on your overseas bike puchases (not from ICycling, but as a general comment) so it is amazing to see all these people so worried about following the rules on re-entry into his home country. I'm not saying it's correct if it wasn't declared (which it clearly isn't), but that is his and his home country's concern and not the hub.